lukosSubsonic, limited payload, no anti-air capability, likely limited sensor suite.
Several sources actually say the Taranis is supersonic, although that isn’t necessarily the final FCAS.
http://www.ibtimes.com/bae-systems-build-supersonic-unmanned-stealth-drone-british-military-1554695
lukosYes.. I am prepared to argue with my ~7 sources stating Captor-E has back-end from Captor-D against your zero sources stating Captor-E has an all new back-end. How about that?
You have one 10 year old source on wikipedia. 10 years ago the Captor-E was supposed to arrive in service 2013, so unless you think Typhoons are currently using AESA in service, you must accept the flaw in your logic rather than the conclusions it leads to. If you can’t infer from three sources stating electronic attack and high-speed comms capability that it’s no longer an old back end then your comprehension and understanding of the subject needs work.
The wikipedia paragraph in question http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/EuroRADAR_CAPTOR#cite_note-latest-83
Das Back-End wird größtenteils von CAPTOR-M übernommen.[83]links to this article….
http://www.ainonline.com/aviation-news/defense/2010-07-20/latest-tech-e-scan-radar-fly-typhoon-2013
… which is from 2010.
From same article:
A prototype of the very latest type of active electronically scanned array (AESA) radar will be flying on a Eurofighter Typhoon in 2013, so that customers can take delivery in 2015.
So where is it?
But, he added, these were additional software modes, and there would only be one Captor-E hardware configuration.
This is also wrong because we know there is a Mk1 and a Mk2 and the article makes no reference to the electronic attack or high speed comms mentioned in more recent articles.
In summary, your source in old, crap and undeniably out-of-date and incorrect on several fronts now.
I went through all the articles once again and none, I repeat none says that Captor-E has a new back-end.. And none says that radar 2 (Mk2) will be complete by 2019. Is that what you call arguing with sources?
There’s a Mk1 and a Mk2 and ‘capabilities will be implemented over time, with two updates in 2017 and 2019’. The Mk2 version will have electronic attack and high speed comms, which isn’t possible with the legacy back end. Doesn’t get much simpler than that. You’re expecting an article to literally say, “Hey MSphere, the Captor-E has a new back end,” which won’t happen because they’re unaware of your isolated case of ignorance.
That is a moot point. There is a huge difference between “xxxx AF is showing interest” and signing a fixed order.
Please! We know that the countries developing the radar will sign contracts. That’s just obvious abc.
Quite on the contrary, I am explaining you what it says.
No, just making stuff up. Finding the hardest interpretation rather than the most obvious one.
I am quite sure your nonsense would disprove even a guy leading the works on that radar.. 😉
From a guy working with sources which don’t say a single thing about what he claims, that’s quite a joke..
Just reading what the link actually says once again, you should give it a try.
lukos
Then Ripfale (‘RIP fail’)
lukosFolding fin missiles would save some space and weight.
lukosOh, i actually do think there will be another manned combat aircraft. Anglo-french, no less. Twin engined and slightly more fighter oriented f-35 like plane, if you will. All this is just a hunch, of course. But there is really no other option for the European air forces 20-30 years from now. Unless they all want to be buying US planes.
I agree. I don’t see that AI is up to the task just yet, at least not such that it can be relied on as anything other than a force multiplier.
lukosNot a high-end system. And it will be probably be cancelled anyway.
Why is it not a high-end system again?
lukosI don’t imagine the UK will develop a high-end combat aircraft ever again. Sad really. Typhoon is the last hurrah.
Well I don’t know what FCAS is then.
lukosInteresting, reclined seating for increased g tolerance, and with HMDs that’s also perfectly possible. Nice Avro proposal here too:
lukosI’m aware of that but certain aspects of the project remained secretive until fairly recently.
lukosWell, it should be known that in the early days the US was reluctant to even take Britain on board
Incorrect, unless by “early days” you mean “some pre-CALF studies”.
There were certain aspects of maintenance that were still being debated even in 2006/2007. They spent a long time developing stealth and weren’t that keen on sharing it. The F-22 still isn’t for export. I don’t see the Middle East getting F-35s any time soon.
lukosThe other thing I would add is that it just takes a tweak in policy here and there or a new order and both of your hard fought arguments go out of the window. Who can predict what will happenover the next five years?
This is exactly my point on order signage. How can someone say that an order in 2016 is unlikely when all it takes is a squiggle with a pen? That’s 20 months to sign a document. The fact that integration has been in progress for a year already is the main issue, that’s what takes the time and effort, an order can happen over night.
lukosNext, a letter is received in the WH saying something like
Well, it should be known that in the early days the US was reluctant to even take Britain on board as 10% partners in the project and the level of precaution taken at BAE offices when dealing with F-35 matters is considerable. Selling it to NATO and NATO allies was probably prompted by economic needs but selling it into the Middle East, Africa, some parts of Asia or South America is pretty much a non-starter.
lukosI am not looking for sources anymore when I am talking to you. You are not worth the effort.. I simply say how I see it and that’s it..
So you’re prepared to argue without sources, as I suspected.
In the past, I have provided six or seven sources stating that Captor-E has taken the back-end from Captor-M and you still completely ignore it with excuses like “from middle of last decade”, even if the date of the article(s) clearly says 2010. Your argumentation approaches idiot-level and I am not getting dragged down there.
Now you’re suffering from delusions and an inability to count. You provided one source, which was a paragraph in wikipedia that had resided there since about 2005. I provided three sources from 2013 and 2015.
http://www.armada.ch/aircraft-self-protection-sophistication/
http://ukarmedforcescommentary.blogspot.co.uk/search/label/Bright%20Adder
https://www.rusi.org/downloads/assets/WHR_1-15_Maximising_European_Combat_Air_Power.pdf
That first sentence is exactly what I was waiting for. Right, nobody knows if and when the radars will be ordered, you included.. I am glad that you finally admit you don’t have a clue.. At least something.
It makes it highly likely that it’ll be ordered around that time. Governments don’t fund integration for no reason and signing a piece of paper is hardly a lengthy process, unless you’re flogging jets to India.
Yes, I do.. These two updates shall add full air-to-ground modes, improve processing power, improve SAR resolution, evtl. add software updates. Nothing new here, Captor-C had the same evolution path to Captor-D, with four software updates, multiple new modes, upgraded PowerPC processors and a new mission computer.. That’s all nice, but none of that resulted in a greatly different radar with one exception – Captor-D is AESA-upgradeable, the Captor-C is not..
So now you’re making up what it says instead of just reading it.
This is just crap made up to fit your agenda. None of your sources says the update aimed for 2019 makes the radar an Mk2 or adds any EW capability… they are talking about tweaking the Mk1 and then add some very cautious and vague claims about Mk2 being somewhere in the pipeline.. in the meantime you’re masturbating over the idea of RAF Typhoon frying enemies with their radars in 2019.. ain’t gonna happen..
If there’s only two updates and two versions of the radar, and the latter adds EW etc. then it’s pretty clear that in 2019 they will start implementing the EW and high speed comms, with full fleet upgrade in the early 2020s.
1) Yes, there is no Mk2 mentioned because they are not talking about Mk2 in the first place..
2) No. The article says Bright Adder was said to be focused on EW. I beg to differ. Selex or dstl are not exactly open, there is no reliable info about what it can do and how far was it developed/tested. But it isn’t called TDP (technology demonstrator program) for nothing, it takes much time until the results are practised in series.
1) Flawed assumption.
2) Much time has passed.
Ask this clever chap…
What does that tell us that we didn’t already know? His work on SAR and DRI, which also applies to air targets, started before his involvement as lead on Bright Adder, which began after Feb 2012. His DRI/SAR fellowships was awarded in July 2009. Comprehension again fails you.
I have clearly shown how you totally misinterpret given sources by adding your own nonsense to what they’re saying. Even worse, you’re too arrogant to give in even in the cases where you have clearly been proven wrong (read the back-end topic).
BTW, in all the years this is the first time I get to hear I am French biased, I will gladly add this title to my collection of stupid nominations. Do I get a medal?
You have clearly shown that you’re prepared to make up absolutely anything, using words that aren’t actually there in association with sources to mislead. You are very clearly Rafale biased and are deliberating trying to derail this thread.
lukosin 2013, they announced a quick release of P1EB, remind me when it was effective?
Captor E isn’t anymore linked to P2E, it is a separate contract to STUDY its integration… (you so much like to stress that point about MELBAA study plan)
I do wish Typhoon to get Captor in 2017 (dubious) afterall it is part of our common defence system. But i’m very doubtful abour Bright Adder program results being implemented in 2019. First you must debug the harware and software, check non regression etc. No pun intended.
None of that made any sense.
lukosThere’s also the product cards here for anyone interested. Little bit out of date wrt thrust, now 43,000lbf and 28,000lbf Mil.
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