Lets think for a 2nd
4th generation fighter designs
U.S.
F-15, F-16,F-18,F14.
Russia:
Su-27, Su-30,Mig 29 ect
Europe:
Typhoon, Rafael.Griphen.
Chinese:
J-10, J-11

Flyable 5th generation designs
U.S.
F-22/Y-F-22, YF-23,X-32,F-35/X-35
Russian:
T-50, Skat.
Chinese:
J-20, J-31
Europe:
Tanaris?

Lets lets be honest, Europe is the only region
Without a 5th generation fighter on the drawing board. The Japanese, Koreans, and even Iran, are further along to building a 5th generation fighter than European companies.

Where does this put the European aircraft industry post 2030? Are the ready to cede traditional markets, to the Americans?
Iran sanctions will be gone in 10 years, which means freshly sold Typhoons, and squals, could face Chinese or Russian 5th generation fighters. discuss

Well the UK can claim a 10% stake in the F-35 and maybe a bit more in terms of contributed technology from UK companies, plus Taranis.

Bravo, people, bravo…
This must count as one of the most obscure and bizarre thread drifts I’ve ever had the misfortune to read! And the moderators are happy to let this nonsense continue it seems…
Any chance the thread content could return to something matching it’s title?

-Dazza

Especially when there’s now a separate thread for it.

http://forum.keypublishing.com/showthread.php?135047-The-truth-is-out-there-Who-started-the-rumour-that-Taranis-is-supersonic

I didn’t assert that it was designed to be supersonic, it was designed for stealth. I don’t even think the Typhoon was designed for supercruise, it just did (could be wrong on that though).

I haven’t seen a rush of other articles correcting them.

Couple of points:

1 – Compare the pic of the EO-DAS module with the datasheet for the 4MP L-3 sensor engine.

The sensor engine is 3/4 the size of a 12-pack of beer cans (by volume). It doesn’t include the cooler, power supply or processor. That makes the EO-DAS module pretty huge. Is there anything other than the shape of the aperture end that suggests that the 4MP module is what’s in there?

2 – IRST is distinguished from a targeting pod or EOTS with an “IRST mode” by a much longer focal length and a mirror that moves fast enough to scan the field of regard.

Cooler placement is adaptable to desired mechanical envelope.

Also more likely to be the 16.7MP version.

Basically here’s the choice:

http://www.cinele.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=section&id=30&Itemid=56

That’s the closest fit.

Imagery at 0.04 also seems way too clear for 640×512. Sniper just isn’t that clear when zoomed out.

Even FC-1? 🙂
Never liked the F-35…. but I’ve always liked the Tyffie.. You’re just so full of sh!t regd. that bird that I simply can’t swallow so much nonsense..

Ditto yourself wrt pretty much anything you post.

Well that’s getting a little extreme. We can rule out hypersonic because no known UK engine design is capable of pushing it that fast and it would melt well before Mach 5. When you think about it, nothing says ‘how supersonic’ it is. Most people think of Mach 2ish when you say ‘supersonic’ but it may just be Mach 1.1 or 1.2, which isn’t really too significant and certainly nothing to have 80 pages of discussion on.