Dniepr looks to be a natural border between W & E Ukraine,
where did the border between the two states historically run ?
Historically Ukraine was a very small country over 300 years ago. 80% of the Ukraine was annexed into the Ukraine by the Russian Empire/Soviet Union in the first place. It’s really a bodge of a country that never properly existed in the first place. A collection of stickle bricks that the Russians clumped together for administerial purposes.
You’ll note that both Lugansk and Donetsk were Russian about 90 years ago.
But they did.
They said so in the recordings.
The BUK-TEL was missing a missile and was removed the day after.
It was in the same area as the rebels have gunned down other aircrafts.It is not the russian state that shot the plane down, it is the russian backed separatists.
The Buk-TEL with the missing radar was sighted heading South-East near Lugansk centre near where the An-26 was shot down and about 80km away from Torez. It not remotely on the way out of Ukraine to Russia if you start from Torez.
Good one MSphere !Ahh Lukos and his “facts” 😉
As for your idiot facts. Buk fired a missile in Torez and then travels to Lugansk via rebel held territory all to escape to Russia and hide what they had done, when it’s about the longest most dangerous, most exposed route they could have taken, with a far easier route (in green) being available. You still haven’t explained that one have you?
Okay, let me put it another way then. People in Eastern Ukraine hate the new government and that was before they got shelled to death by them.
The new government banned Russian as an official language.
They’ve also banned a peaceful political party with 2.5 million members.
What we’re seeing is the native Russian speakers trying to break free in the Donetsk and Lugansk regions.
I dont know what sources you are using they are not mine.It is always prudent to cross check all sources .;)
So once again (and try to read slowly this time) AN-26 on 14 /07 went down near Izwaryne ( next to Krasnodon ) not near Luhansk.
And to make it easy for you that my source (which was also in my previous post)
http://aviation-safety.net/database/record.php?id=20140714-0
Dude it was you source, I’ve just linked proof. If it’s wrong then you need to stop posting crap sources.
I’m using your source for my facts::stupid:
U.S. discloses intelligence on downing of Malaysian jet
Go on Google Earth:
48.545613 N, 39.264847 E
Vehicle was heading South East, which would make **** all sense if it was trying to leave for Russia having started near Torez.
If the claimed route is as per Kiev propaganda and green marks rebel held territory, then route passes through Ukrainian held territory, South West of Lugansk. Sighting location is also right on the border between rebel and Ukrainian held territory. No way it would have gone that way as the quickest/safest route back to Russia.
http://ukraineatwar.blogspot.co.uk/2014/07/russian-transport-of-buk-that-shot-down.html
Clearly a safer route out of the country can be seen in green.
Izvaryne – the new place you’re claiming for the shootdown of An-26 on 14/07/2014 is still nowhere near where the 777 was shot down. In fact it’s even further away – 100km away in fact.
meanwhile, every other source says Lugansk:
http://www.allvoices.com/contributed-news/17463808-an-26-transport-aircraft-of-ukraine-shot-down-near-luhansk-russian-hand-suspected
http://lifeinua.info/we-have-irrefutable-evidence-that-an-26-was-shot-down-by-russian-armed-forces-head-of-ssu/
Maybe missile was fired from Lugansk, perhaps that’s what Washington Post means. Krasnodon is 40km from Lugansk centre.
Check your facts An 26 went down on 14/07 near Izwaryne see my previous post for source.
So rebels should drive the TELAR through Ukrainian controlled territory ? :applause:
I’m using your source for my facts::stupid:
U.S. discloses intelligence on downing of Malaysian jet
Go on Google Earth:
48.545613 N, 39.264847 E
Vehicle was heading South East, which would make **** all sense if it was trying to leave for Russia having started near Torez.
If the claimed route is as per Kiev propaganda and green marks rebel held territory, then route passes through Ukrainian held territory, South West of Lugansk. Sighting location is also right on the border between rebel and Ukrainian held territory. No way it would have gone that way as the quickest/safest route back to Russia.
http://ukraineatwar.blogspot.co.uk/2014/07/russian-transport-of-buk-that-shot-down.html
I can check that there is no trolleybuses in Krasnoarmieck in 1 min from my home so please dont make me lough my slippers off .The generals blantly lying and through the window goes their credibility .
Talking about Russian media let me just remained you this :Russian media has reported swiftly about shot down of An-26 on 14/07 and they did the same on 17/07, each time kind of celebrating them as Donetsk People’s Republic achievements:14 July, 12:00, Aviation Safety Network Criminal Occurrence description http://aviation-safety.net/database/…?id=20140714-0
14 July, 18:24, LifeNews, Ополченцы взяли в плен экипаж сбитого Ан-26 украинских ВВС (Self-defense took POV the crew of downed Ukrainian An-26)http://lifenews.ru/news/136589
17 July, 18:34, LifeNews, Ополченцы сообщили о сбитом Ан-26 на востоке Украины (Self-defense informed about shoot down of An-26 in eastern Ukraine)http://lifenews.ru/news/136801
17 July, 20:01, ITAR-TASS Donetsk People’s Republic militia downs another Ukraine’s An-26 plane — eyewitnesses http://en.itar-tass.com/world/741164The problem with the last two from 17 July is that there was no An-26 shoot down at that day. And these news reports were published just a moment before it became evident that he alleged An-26 came out to be Boeing-777.Point to note An-26 on 14/07 went down near Izvaryne in Luhansk region aprox.90km north east from Grabovo in Donetsk region where B777 MH17 went down on 17/07.Izvaryne is just 3 km from Russian border.
If you notice they claimed the first one but not the second. They only say the second was shot down.
I could ask why this picture is grainy as hell and doesn’t provide a launch location. Where is the border/river marked by the red line?
Ultimately the An-26 shootdown is much closer to where the Buk was sighted (~6km away above the thick line for the road under Lugansk where the An-26 shootdown marker is).
48.545613 N, 39.264847 E
X marks the spots where it was sighted in video:
And shortly after the disaster, the launcher with two rockets missing from its load was filmed again by Ukrainian intelligence service.
It was being smuggled half-hidden on the back of a truck into Russian territory.
That’s one hell of a ******* diversion to get from Torez back to Russia via Lugansk.
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