Nice report, glad you enjoyed it. 🙂
I’ve been on a flight with British Airways being flown by by two female flight crew.
Ohh.. and Britannia in 2001 where the passengers cheered and applauded when we touched down.
It’s quite amazing that this easyJet aircraft and the British Midland A32x landed safely then. Obviously could have had disastrous consequences.
Yeah, that’s the reason I included that bit. The site says that flights will be on a 767-500… strange. :confused:
Originally posted by Bhoy
… closely followed by LTU A330-200 D-ALPG, heading for the slightly more tropical destination of Punta Cana.
What I’d do to be there right now! One of very few airports in the Dominican Republic I’ve not been to.
A great batch of photos, bhoy. 😉
Originally posted by A330Crazy
T5, have you seen the Royal Brunei A319? Funny looking thing, having always seen the RB c/s on the 767.
I’ve just taken a look since you mentioned it, but there’s no comparison between the A319 and B767, look for yourself. There is a clear winner between the two… :p


Ohh…
British Airways on a 767
Royal Brunei on a 767
and the next one is not really permanent, but the Royal Barge colour scheme of Thai Airways on a 747.
These are the photos I took, posted them a couple of months ago.
The first is a Virgin 747-400 outside Hatton Cross. Taken through the windscreen which was getting wet from the rain.

Secondly, the Visitors Centre photograph. This one shows an A321 of Iberia. The fences and the trees completely destroy the image.

I know how you feel about the Visitor’s Centre. I was there on a rather wet and windy 8th June with my camera. I had started at Hatton Cross and worked my way round to the centre itself.
I tend not to go into the centre anymore, because it is so repetitive. Very little changes in that place.
I posted some photographs like your Syrian 747SP one, being partially covered by the fence. A bit of a blow I guess. If it’s not a fence in the way, it’s those damn trees!
Good report.
I found your food thoughts much the same as Thai last month. The food outbound was great. Presented superbly, tasted great. Again, not just “good airline food”, but great food altogether. You’d never guess you were eating re-heated food at 35,000ft.
On the way back, it took a turn for the worse though. The chicken was nice, although fatty and presentation had not been considered.
Originally posted by GZYL
Could we improve TCAS so that it realized what the other aircraft was doing, and then modified the advice it gave?For example, TCAS told the 154 to climb, and the 757 to descend. When the 154 descended and a collision was still going to occur could the TCAS tell the 757 to climb and the 154 to descend? Or would the changes be too confusing? I.e. the pilots then follow TCAS orders… only 1 follows the first instruction, and the second follows the changed instruction! Getting confused already??? I am!!
What do the aviation authorities say about procedures to avoid mid airs? Should you follow the ATC? Or TCAS??
I get what you mean and think that if TCAS on the 2 aircraft on the collision course could communicate, it would be better and safer. One pilot is told to descend, so the other is told to ascend.
lol.. great photo, even without the nose! 🙂
I agree entirely and I said last night that I felt sorrow for the air traffic controller concerned.
I think this controller was only very slightly to blame and that there are more people out there who are responsible in some way or another.
Peter X had tried to put off technical work which was taking place, supposedly during a quiet period. This work was going to result in the system temporarily being down-graded to an older version, one that wouldn’t alert the controller of two aircraft flying towards each other. So for a start, whoever decided that the change of software was necessary should take some of the blame.
The technicians who carried out the work obviously didn’t carry it out as they should – the phone line was not working properly and when the air traffic controller spotted that something was wrong, he could not really do anything i.e. pass of the A320 Greek (?) flight which was on it’s way to Germany (?).
The A320 flight played a crucial role in this disaster. It distracted the controller from what he was supposed to be doing. As he wasn’t able to use the telephone to pass the flight onto someone else, he was really in trouble. As he tried to sort the late A320, the Russian 154 and the DHL 757 moved closer and closer together.
Next comes this TCAS system which is supposedly an avoidance system. Why do ATC (on the ground) and TCAS (in the air) not say the same thing? One of the aircraft received an alert telling it to climb or descend, but air traffic control was saying the opposite. Confusion amongst the crew of the crowded Russian cockpit, led them to do the wrong thing, descending. Straight ahead, the DHL aircraft descended, too. The air traffic controller believed that all was fine again and could finally get back to work with the A320. It was obviously at this point that the 757 sliced through the 154, killing dozens of people, 45 being children under the age of 15.
If I was Peter X, I’d be feeling extremely guilty, having been responsible for the two aircraft which collided with each other. On the other hand, I’d know I’d done the right thing. I would convince myself that I had done everything within my power, considering the circumstances – no telephone, no collegaues around and a control system which lacks its usual features.
What really irritates me about this and with other air crashes is when they say the crash is a result of “pilot error”. In this case, it is controller error. Let’s assume you are flying a plane which is perhaps doomed. All the engines have for some reason or another, failed, you’ve got hundreds of passengers out the back and you’re miles from anywhere. What do you do? You would do what you have been trained to, do what you think is best, trying to save as many lives as possibly upon impact. So for doing what any pilot is likely to do when a problem arises, you get the blame.
Much like this controller, what could he have done? He was powerless. It is likely that any controller would have acted exactly the same way as he did.
Before the technical work began, Peter X did telephone to request that the work be scheduled for some other time. This request was declined. So, whoever made the decision not to re-schedule the work plays some responsibility. By agreeing with Peter X and having the work carried out at another date, this crash would never have happened.
So many people could be blamed, but I do not think the controller who was supposed to be in control, is to blame.
A great assortment of shots, frankvw. Would like to see more of your work. 😉
Quite amazing that the aircraft can still fly in that condition.
I remember seeing the BMi A321 which encountered problems above Germany a few months back, but there seems to be much greater damaged to the easyJet aircraft.
Would hailstones cause damaged to the engine if they were sucked in?