damn those missiles.. serious punch!
We should be able to see the accuracy, all eyes are on Aleppo now.Edit:
First time i’ve noticed those jammer pods on Su-33
Did you notice the apparent very slow speed of Kusnetzov for such operations?
Can’t MDCN/XXXX (forgot the uk acronym) do the job?
Btw, accidently learned that some “stealth” US aircraft was shot down during exercises by friendly fires due to the lack of interoperability (L16?). Any idea of the advancement of the future datalink that was to be studied by DARPA in 2012?
A400 customers should’ve bought the C-2. same size, better radius.
And C-2 is able to land on a CBR6??? No tactical capailities… in terms of unprepared/harsh ground, C-160>A-400>C-130>>>C-2
Which conceptual errors? Precise please, i’ll be happy to have a good laugh. About quality issues, they’re fixed faster than another program i know…
According to France Info radio, russian fighter crashed while attempting to land on carrier in mediterranean sea. No casualty.
Edit : Mig 29K http://www.upi.com/Top_News/World-News/2016/11/14/Russian-fighter-jet-crashes-into-Mediterranean-Sea-near-Syria/3211479143326/?spt=su
Russian plane crashed (no casualty) while attempting landing on Kuznetsov. No casualty.
Good news to hear something from the project at least. It might not sound like much, but based on some of the other threads here, the UK and France being able to split responsibilities on a major project is no small thing.
Absolutely. The Thalès guy also said that work about sensors is doing very well, partly because teams already know each other from old times when they worked together on european active radar projects (GEC Marconi, Thompson and Dassault Electronics). He also said that, if governments would be interested, common technological bricks could be shared for Typhoon and Rafale MLUs.
I listned to several roundtable yesterday during a summer event in Paris. They seemed to say that IADS networks are going to revolutionize way of operating planes within a few years. For them it is more the networking of air combat systems that will enable offensive actions than stealth or ECM. Good point for F-35, it is designed to do so.
5 actually
At the time of the report?
Not really news, but interesting statements from Safran Engines (Snecma) CEO. “RR is our natural partner” and, more interesting, workshare on future FCAS engine more or less decided. UK and Fr share a common view on the consolidation of FCAS concept before opening it to other nations (particularly Germany) (DGA).
C’mon, Hallo, you clearly understand what’s the meaning: the Fr senate cost correspond to a Rafale configuration that hasn’t scored any export sales. It is then irrelevant as a comparative basis for export.
If you then say that the Fr taxpayer got better deal than the US one, then this is different (I discussed it in length a decade ago on Kovi’s website ;). )
Sold to Egypt no?
If you ever want to keep the credibility you have.. never quote Don Bacon… ever.
While all of those contracts exist, they are not “additive”. In other words, all the contracts prior to the 03Nov2015 contract were a “modification of” the original long-lead contract. However, the 03Nov2015 contract was the fixed price (ie “not to exceed”) contract that kicked the production off. Also, the “about a billion” from Aug2016 was never a contract and does not appear on the .gov site. It was simply a payment for the 03Nov2015 contract so that production could go on unimpeded since the DoD was taking so long trying to negotiate LRIP9 and LRIP10 together.
The same type of long-lead with a followup fixed-price contract model was used for the engines (the DoD negotiates with P&W for the engines, not LM).
The recently announced $6.1 billion is the final negotiated price for that 03Nov2015 contract & any additioanal items since 03Nove2015.
thx. Btw didn’t know who i quoted. Dunno who is Don Bacon, nvm. Costs are tricky issues.
I just read this, corrections welcome
LRIP-9 CONTRACTS : $11,271,778,966
Lockheed $8,679,012,757
Details
long lead time items $822,532,385
2014 – Mar 25, $698,032,385; Sep 22, $60,000,000
2015 – Oct 30, $64,500,000
initial spares $237,765,479
2015 – Jun 25, $237,765,479
helmet display system $101,304,341
2015 – Jul 14, $101,304,341
tooling & test equipment $526,005,754
2015 – Aug 4, $431,322,997; Dec 21, $84,434,012
2016 – Feb 16, $10,248,745
miscellaneous $572,934,481
2015 – Aug 31, $430,878,490; Oct 30, $120,555,991; Dec 10, $21,500,000
2016 – Apr 15, $181,765,203
modification management $47,514,822
2015 – Dec 28, $47,514,822
undefinitized: $6,370,955,495
Details
2016 – Nov 3 , $5,370,955,495
2016 – Aug 12, “about $1,000,000,000”
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Pratt – engine $2,592,766,209
long lead time items $105,170,571
2014 – May 2, $105,170,571
manufacturing $1,038,074,689
2016 – Apr 11, $1,038,074,689
initial spares $402,916,206
2015 – Sep 4, $249,830,014;
2016 – Sep 16, $136,588,895; Sep 29, $16,497,297
sustainment $151,770,483
2015 – Oct 30, $104,290,158; Dec 21, $9,020,915
2016 – Sep 1, $38,459,410
miscellaneous $894,834,260
2016 – Aug 10, $151,664,883; Oct 17, $743,169,377
All of these contracts can be seen by going to defense.gov/News/Contracts — in the archives by date
So the real price of LRIP 9 F-35 is : 11,271,778,966/57= $ 197.75 Millions
It is probably due to translation from French article.
I have tried to look for the original link in the French senate. I assume that the availability does not include the ones that are under refit.
It doese, as they mention 39 rafale.
There you are on website of representative that asked the question.
Edit : official text
Don’t take those number by the words. There is a lot of smoke screen in that. Fr Industry can’t afford an open competition since it is considered (rightfully) strategic. Now, arguing that a Rafale cost what the Fr Senate says when public cost of export are showing up is like selling a Renault for a Mercedes*… The AdlA has been taking Dassault and its partners by the hand for years adapting to its only remaining industrial champions for the sake of Fr interests. The losses in capabilities and closed eyes on OP cost are slowly showing up.
*The Raf, has built originally for the FrAF didn’t meet any success internationally… Hence its price doesn’t matter.
Once again, showing absence of knowledge. Or do you think official costs from Senate are fake? Comparing with unknown content journo quoted costs? Better continue on Rafale thread no?