Really? What was the final ToT agreement of the Rafale deal with India? Zero.
Blunt statement, but… wrong. Heard about anything called Kaveri maybe?
American are not Israeli, are they? And USA IS constantly doing that. Not only Suez, after GWII USA denied for years french awacs modernization… Not to talk about India etc. But Suez was worse. USA simply betrayed UK and France.
Hoping to be included in the “several posts on last page leaned dangerously close to making this a coherent and worthwhile topic” on#63 post, allow me some point: I’ve cited meteor because its the heavier weapon that can be carried by EF semi-conformal pylon , same applies to Amraam or another that can fit: what reduces RCS is the virtual elimination of the pylon not about the missile dimension in itself.
Picture posted by GarryA in #49 gives you the idea.
Worring however to the perpendicular duct of such a missile fall IMHO on the “stealth, stealth and stealth” syndrome running amok around some posters from the other side of Atlantic.
What increase the RCS of a jet duct are the propulsor blades moving, something you just have NOT on a Ramjet.
Add that to see the interior of the Meteor’s duct ,one should have to be at the very same quote and straight in the front of it as an even minimal angle would get it covered.
To see a missile under the body of a Typhoon of even a Flanker you have to be at a much lower quote, not just a pair thousand feet and directly in the front i.e. a place no one would like to be.
I repeat, the use of RCS have to be tactically convenient to make sense, it a mean to an end not a question of national pride or worse a male reproductive organ measuring contest.
IMHO you are. Common sense vs “eyeball markI forum level integrated joint RCS measurement apparatus”
You know american toocool : “rest of the world” = USA…
FYI, Both those aircraft’s O&S comparison (SAR) includes manpower costs.
Interesting. TY.
who did that model? Do they have access to exact sizes, materials used etc.?
It doese not give it ubiquity.
According to the National Audit Office, the Ministry of Defense has been too optimistic in calculating what the combat aircraft can perform in, for example, flight hours. At the same time there is a risk that Denmark’s largest state procurement so far will be far more expensive than the agreed 66 billion. kr., concludes.
Defense expert Peter Viggo Jakobsen from the Defense Academy criticizes the Ministry of Defense ‘having reckoned back’ to ensure that F35 won the competition over two other aircraft.
According to defense spokesman Holger K. Nielsen (SF), the Folketing now has the words of the Audit Office that “from the outset there have been completely unrealistic assumptions in order to make the calculation behind the flight purchase fit.”
How do you say “rigged” in political lanuage? “excessively optimistic”?
The trolling is simply constantly trying to redirect discussion to Rafale on this topic. We can keep talking on the Rafale topic in the meanwhile.
Because there are much funnier parts in Denmark atm. their GAO even said that some of their DM officials underscored (rigged the competition) the sustainment costs…
Danish GAO states that F-35 in present numbers will not be able to fulfill requested functions.
stop the dumb insults. You are ridiculous.
Did i call you dumb? I guess i forgot.
Take the time to read the whole document instead of trying to lecture above topics you only marginally know, and you will see that 3 times more expensive is not MCO (and CFPH) but scheduled maintenance, and that is relative to previous plane like super etendard or mirage 2000. NOWHERE it says that Rafle CFPH or mco is three times higher than M2000.
you assert on thing about RCS, with eyeball mark one sensor. it ha no sense and IS a flametroll topic.
Anyother dumn not uneducated BS argument or flame topic?
There is a plan to replace CdG already. Size is still to be determined. However, another problem is source code. Absolutely needed to integrate nuke. (successor to ASMP/A)
(i) EPM (entretien pràgrammé) is just a part (55% for forces globally) of “MCO” (maintien en condition opérationnel) you are biased (and trolling), as usual. MCO (sustainment) also contain mil man/hours (40%) and 5% else. Of course a Rafale is more expensive to use than a SEM!!! (and double of a M2K)!
(ii) 950 men are for overall SOUTEX that will also contain barracuda submarine for aussies etc. (for example Rafale demo team is soutex). The document states that “SOUTEX” export help) activities should be budgeted by itself. Why sunken cost???
However, you know this report is political and advocating for a 2% GDP for defense no?
Finally, the very document you quote
trois millions d’euros dans le cas du Rafale, ce qui induit un
coût d’heure de vol très supérieur.
3 millions / year… afaik in 2016, the averae flight rate was around 280 hours/plane… 11 000 euros/hour… Ok, that is EPM and i do not know the part of EPM in MCO of Rafale. So, lets stick to 14500 euros/hour MCO?
Better have a look at Cour des Comptes (GAO) of Loi de Finances.
https://www.ccomptes.fr/fr/publications/le-maintien-en-condition-operationnelle-des-materiels-militaires-des-efforts
https://www.ccomptes.fr/fr/documents/28074
Around 14500 euros.
I don’t think the political appetite is there on either side for Britain to join the fighter project. It doesn’t work now, and it won’t work after Brexit. The UK gov is waking up to the idea of a strategy for its fighter purchases now that projects are so thin on the ground, and BAE isn’t after junior partner status on another fighter project (JSF design was key, but junior none the less).
I’m not entirely convinced FCAS is going to stay bilateral (only the UK and France have similar needs) and if that is the case I think the UK will pull out.
Two different points. For the first, Trappier did say recently that doing future combat aircraft with BAE (UK) would be perfectly sensible. About FCAS, the demonstrators will be binational, but with respective national specificities (about stealth in particular and datalinks i think). We will see for an operational UCAS drone component of FCAS.