Msphere, there were no offers as it were to sell the F-35 to India. The F-35 would not have been compliant with MMRCA requirements in 2007. The latest L-M initiated offer to provide information/briefing on the F-35 was a carrot for the F-16. “Buy the F-16 line and the F-35 might be on the table in the future”. There would be considerable difficulty getting congressional approval to export the F-35 to India. In short, there was no offer. It was a diplomatic manuver that India saw through, and rejected. The Indian press made it out to be something it wasn’t. But no, it would take an F-16/18 deal, a building of trust and estabilishment of security agreements to get any official approval for an F-35 deal. India was never going to approve such an arrangement. The Rafale contract gives some clear indication of how India views defense contracts. 15 years from now if U.S.-India defense relationship continues to warm, then it might be possible. The trust is not there on either side as of now.

Spot the problem in this story:
http://www.cnbc.com/2016/09/15/big-us-military-aid-package-to-israel-has-strings-attached.html

well, not in the story itself but a pretty stupid mistake at the top of the page.

I really don’t get the point of threads like this other than a magnet for dumb arguements.

A coffee vs tea thread would be about as useful.
Despite my nation’s preference, I’m taking tea. Cheaper unit cost, more effective in close proximity to sinuses, somewhat less effective caffeine delivery system.

Aerodynamic ducts, Photoshop. S-duct arguments. Did some other forum shut down recently? The outbreak of stupidity and flame posting is at a new high.

I never said I did, I just set out to show your dishonest way of asking anyone for proof that anyone else said. And when that people points you where some data could be fetched, you refuse to go look.

Nic

No, Nic that was the argument you were having with GerryA.

So here is the order : Picard put some made up figures on his blog => Y-20 quote Picard blog => I prove that it is BS => Halloween said these figures can be found on defesanet but give no actual links => i cant find anything that supports Picard claims
I simply state the facts that Halloween always pretend to be mysterious when asked for evidence

Halloweene never claimed that Picard’s claims were accurate. All he said was that you can look up the articles Vianney wrote about Rafale’s performance. I think Halloweene is intelligent enough to know Picard’s information is invented.

For those interested, here is a good read on the SR-71 design evolution and RCS reduction:
http://enu.kz/repository/2009/AIAA-2009-1522.pdf

I guess you misunderstood.. I am not looking at finding out their true identity rather than point out what stupid, dumb and laughable reasoning is being used by some to promote the F-35. And those same clowns will then demand pages of evidence for every line one writes..

I would say the difference is that Picard is trying to offer ( completely made up) empirical evidence of performance. Pilot testimony is subjective. In that survey, I did not see any pilot claiming the F-35 could out accelerate or out turn an F-15C at high altitude, for example. They were just stating thier seat of the pants preference in different BFM setups.