I see this as a contracted propulsion award (DARPA- AFRE to both Aerojet and OATK) and the vehicle and integrator prime’s spending IR&D and pushing into “demonstrator” territory in an effort to prepare themselves for a defined Air Force need.
Yes, what is interesting (to me) is that Aerojet (formerly Pratt Rocketdyne) has been developing this TBCC since 2008 in NASA’s wind tunnel, and was previously part of the cancelled blackswift project. They (seem) to have success testing the transition to ramjet at Mach 2.5 which is key to the whole concept. They were, according to press releases, planning ground tests last year.
That coupled with the Lockheed announcement last year green lighting a hypersonic FTV, and recent comments are intriguing. Granted, this is a long way from the USAF actually issuing an RFP for an operational hypersonic ISR platform. I would think that a usable strike weapon will come out of HAWC first according to the hypersonic roadmap.
With regards to what may come out of this; we have Lockheed/Aerojet Rocketdyne that has released a (relatively) large amount of information, and Boeing/Orbital ATK with very little except the DARPA contract award to Orbital for a TBCC demonstrator propulsion system and the sketches from Boeing for their hypersonic vehicle.
The question is why? Lockheed pushing for visibility to appear like the presumptive winners for any future hypersonic ISR platform.
MiG-21Bis.
Early 1970’s
Had the TAC version of the Six and the B-58 been produced R. Strange McNamara’s pet, F-111, that was a stupid idea would never have seen the light of day.
And that would left a dangerous hole in U.S. strike capabilities during the 1980’s and 90’s. The F-111 was arguably the most capable strike aircraft in the world circa (1980-89) with the combination of: low altitude speed, range, precision strike capabilities (F-111F, and F-111D to lesser extent).
Just wasn’t a good fighter.
Understand completely, not suggesting the aircraft is ready. What I am seeing is that Aerojet Rocketdyne has developed that breakthrough in propulsion technology that has eluded hypersonic flight: a reusable propulsion system that works from 0-mach 6+, and is at a technology readiness level that makes L-M feel confident in talking about the SR-72.
There have been mentions of the MiG-41 on and off for the past few years, so I am inclined to think the timing is exactly accidental. In between MiG-31 production being discussed @ the Duma (political nonsense) and MiG-41 occasionally being brought up by Sokol every so often, you are bound to “intercept” SR-72 development leaks.
Fair enough, thought is was interesting coincidence in light of the aerospace world lighting up last week on reading the tea leaves from L-M VP.
I don’t think the timing of that article regarding MiG-41 was accidental. It was dropped a few days after Skunkworks hinted that the SR-72 “might” be further along than originally thought.
In regards to the actual progress, I doubt it is more than a schematic and twinkle in MiG’s eye right now. Work on propulsion would have to already begun to meet a 2025 timetable. You can set the most ambitious specifications on paper, the technological readiness level of materials and propulsion will determine progress.
Edit (addition)- There is some confusion of the start of R&D phase, it has been stated as “after the passing of the next state armaments program” which should be late this year, then in other statements 2019-20 timeframe. If recent aerospace projects are a guide, 5-6 years from R&D to first flight would be very tight indeed.
That’s all nice but it has little to do with AESA antenna itself.. there are two decades between the RBE2 PESA and RBE2-AA AESA.. of course there is performance increase.. if you upgraded the backend of the PESA accordingly, it would likely achieve similar results (w/o some specifics which are AESA exclusive)..
Keep in mind that Ericsson have achieved whooping 150% range increase on their PS-05/A (for JAS39C) in two upgrade waves by replacing the RPU and EXR modules in the backend.. no magic in that, simply greatly increased com
No, the back end is the same, the RBE2 AESA is plug and play, a 2 hour swap out with the PESA array. In other words, the performance gain is 100% attributed to the switch from PESA to AESA.
What have the current US proposals as a new feature so they dare to call them 6th Gen, then?
The USAF has repeatedly shied away from using that moniker, or even the label “fighter”. Perhaps we will get some news on the PCA AoA soon (or not). The USN NGAD program will likely differ from the USAF according to the latest news. Either way, don’t expect to hear “6th generation fighter” out of the mouths of any Air Force official.
Considering the slew of contracts, like SHiELD, a good bet would be “LA-SER”.
More on Magma:
https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/opinion-bae-research-project-promises-stealth-advan-444848/
Obviously eliminating flaps while preserving maneuverability with Fluidic thrust vectoring will allow for lower RCS. My one nit to pick, the advances with FTV should allow the designers to do away with the tails and allow tail-less supersonic flight. BAE Taranis allegedly achieved supersonic flight (some ambiguity on that). If the goal is to use FTV to achieve all aspect LO, retaining the tails on the MAGMA seems like a retrograde step.
The gains from drag and weight from losing the tails will be huge as well. Vertical stabilizers have to be build exceptionally strong (especially in a twin tail aircraft), losing them and the structural strengthening needed to support them will reduce an aircraft’s take-off weight by 6%-7% according to NASA.
Not manned combat aircraft, Canadian/UK aircraft industries were linked. Canada bought/or licensed produced many US aircraft as well.
it can physically (the rails are standard), but the integration hasn’t been done and it needs US approval to make it
I doubt the RBE2 LAM for MICA (and Meteor) on the Rafale supports AMRAAM, even US aircraft have to be modified to use the newer AIM-120D. Not sure what foreign weapons have been integrated on Rafale, but out of the RCAF weapon inventory, likely: AIM-120, AGM-65 aren’t. Any aircraft can carry the AIM-9, Rafale can carry the GBU (Paveway) series already.
NP, nic. I disagree with the notion of US feeding info. They’ve been on the receiving end of these drones, coincidentally so have French.
Actually, you said $150. But hey go back & edit it.
Nic
Cool, so go find where I said it nic. I only quoted cheap gps units and altimeters. Your confusing oohshineys post.
I’ll just call you JSR instead of nic if accuracy doesnt matter.
The usual ignorant supidity from you. I never said exactly 1,200, and they aren’t buying the drones, they are making them, captain obvious.
But here, using parts that can be ordered via internet.
( * Note for the actual thinking humans, these parts are representative of what would be needed and available, not exact.)
Building gas powered drone=
Body and wings can be crafted for literally free, time not money= $0
GPS waypoint unit= $899 for top of the line unit https://store.dji.com/product/a3?clickaid=zVyBrgmJp6YVgzpkhpTLQ4jiSQ_PR-j_&clickpid=858818&clicksid=6e3b378b9aeb2df47190ab37e25e73e2&from=related_products&pm=custom
Altimeter- How advanced do you want? Lidar? Here: https://leddartech.com/modules/leddarone/
We will go for a midrange one= 49.95 (there are much cheaper ones)
https://www.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/wti0001p?&I=ETRP8029&P=FR&atrkid=V3ADW3A24148B_45992359586_pla-359027475805__221282308788_g_c_pla_with_promotion__1o2&gclid=EAIaIQobChMI1474sMHL2AIVjrbACh1-nAf0EAQYAiABEgKaoPD_BwE
servo motors for control surfaces= 18.95 for 10 pack
https://www.ebay.com/itm/10pcs-9G-SG90-Micro-Servo-Motor-Fr-RC-Robot-Helicopter-Airplane-Aircraf-Car-Boat-/331962676921?_trksid=p2349526.m4383.l4275.c10
gas engine- 3.8 HP (much more powerful than any shown in pictures of Syrian drones)= $185
https://hobbyking.com/en_us/turnigy-tr-32-32cc-gas-engine-3-8hp.html
Drone payload release system= $40
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Drone-Release-and-Drop-Payload-Delivery-device-for-DJI-Phantom-3-/232612164284?_trksid=p2385738.m4383.l4275.c10
Drone control board= $87
https://www.getfpv.com/asgard-aio-flight-controller-f4-fc-4x-25a-esc-osd-pdb-curr.html?gclid=EAIaIQobChMIzKKBv8PL2AIVUrjACh2RCQtzEAQYASABEgIQyvD_BwE
Total from above $ 1,277 USD (add $100 more if you were buying a package for wiring, connectors, batteries, USB. Addition + $80-150 for receiver with Gyros if you wanted RC option). And all of the above is likely way more advanced than what the terrorists needed to make their various wood, aluminum, Styrofoam/duct tape drones.
There you go KGB, now sit down in the corner like a good little brainwashed boy (and back on ignore. I’m sure he will post 11 more times making non-points and trying to bury his stupidity with posting volume)
@Austin- Why are you focused on the 50km range. Gas powered drones don’t have a battery flight time limitation like typical quadcopter electric motor drones. Again, $899 GPS unit, drones fly pre-programmed route and altitude be it 5, 50, or 500km provided with enough gas and no failures.