There are datalinks and then there are datalinks. Sure, UAE could develop some proprietary datalink which would allow the F-35 and Su-35 to send basic messages, air tracks, etc (what about IFF? EW signals and ID? doubtful). It would defeat the purpose of buying advanced fighters if they could not share the tactical picture.
Even now, the USAF is struggling with how to share the massive amounts of data that F-35’s (or -22’s) can send via MADL and IDFL with the legacy fleet. Have you seen the TALON HATE pod on an F-15C? Even with Link-16, there is a limit with how much F-35’s can share with legacy platforms due to bandwith and SIGNIT concerns.
What they can’t do (and wouldn’t be allowed to do by anyone: USA, Russia) is what you seem to be alluding would be easy: Connect a mixed fleet via Link-16, or S-108. Neither nation would share the encryption data.
Eventually it is just the willingness of OEM to do that for the customer , What the USAF General is stating is either you buy Su-35 or F-35 …..that is just a political statement sort of threat.
– This wasn’t a political statement, he was talking about feasibility. Would it be impossible? No, but again, it would defeat the purpose of purchasing the F-35 (or Su-35s) in the first place if one or the other was incapable of a deep level of integration with each other, AWACS, and air defense networks.
Even accounting for the partially built fuselage starting point, that is a promising pace.
Please clarify for me;
I thought the Tu-160M designation was for upgrading the existing Tu-160 with new avionics system, cockpit displays, and rebuilt engines. (Addition- the “M” retains a modernized Obzor-K but the M2 gets a new active array in development?)
Tu-160M2 would be new build aircraft with NK-32-02 engines.
Is this correct? So, the newly completed airframe above was completed to Tu-160M, are the engines new build or refurbished?
How exactly do you propose they do this? Hand over JTIDS/MIDS tech and LINk-16 coding to manufacturers of weapon systems in Russia, China, and the like?
https://ukdefencejournal.org.uk/uk-planning-four-front-line-f-35-squadrons/
Four squadrons, 48 aircraft “combat coded” in USAF parlance. 35% of the fleet.
UK defense procurement is befuddling. The USAF rule of thumb is about 60% of a fleet in active squadrons, the rest in training, test, and an attrition reserve. Any takers on a bet of when a few dozen lightly used F-35B will be declared “surplus” in a future white paper to make room for whatever comes out of FCAS?
If the MoD does this with one of the new carriers, there should rightly be an uproar from UK taxpayers. One could see the PoW on it’s first sortie flying the White Ensign just long enough to sail it to it’s new owners at INS Kadamba, or Rio.
That’s why I pointed out that it would have had 3 launchers which would have provided redundancy.
Wouldn’t have had three stacked launchers because that was never proposed for the F-23 (and wouldn’t fit), the EMD drawings make it pretty clear on the configuration of the main bay (which was smaller than on the prototype YF-23) Four (possibly five with clipped wing -C version) AMRAAM on LAU-106 launchers.
You can see from the leaked schematic, two amraams in rear weapons bay (the other two would have been on launchers on the doors similar to F-35 weapon bay:
http://yf-23.net/Pics/F-23A/F-23A%20dwg%20comparison%201023.gif
(courtesy of YF-23.net) visit them and you can read about the weapons bays and changes.
USAF rejected that (any jam in mechanism would leave aircraft unable to fire missile), I believe there was some question whether such a stack system would fit. Weapon separation might have been smoother than in the F-22 as the bay was to have a swing out baffle to protect the missile from airstream.
Basically irrelevant, the YF-23 proposal had a trapeze system for 3 AMRAAM and 2 Aim-9, the F-23 EMD would have had 2 door mounted AMRAAM, 2 (possibly 3) on a pallet that would have been lowered, and 2 Aim-9 in a smaller forward bay.
ne advantage of the F-23 was that it could eventually have carried up to 12 missiles, 9 AMRAAMs and 3 AIM-9s.
The F-23 proposal had a loadout of 4 Amraam and 2 aim-9 (this was before the clipped wing Aim-120C). The suggestion of 9 Amraam comes from fanart and opinions. That would have required them to be stacked on top each other, there would have been no way to fit a launcher in that scenario. Even in the current F-22 bay the pneumatic launcher kicks the missile clear at 40g.
YF-23 was excellent super cruiser:
– you can look at the actual speeds reached by both the YF-22 and -23 on my post near the top of the page. There is a lot of myth regarding the YF-23 as there usually is when a promising design does not see fruition. Aviation lore is littered with these: Avro Arrow, TSR-2, XF-108, YF-23. The more time that passes, the faster, more “advanced”, basically more exaggerated the actual specifications and achievements get.
Well the second picture is definitive confirmation…….
Someone in Syria lost a portion of their roof.
Different envelopes… the German ones give the the F-35 high marks for technology, the Indian ones are warnings against investing in technologically risky venture with the Russians who will screw them in after sale Service and parts. Get it right
Sorry all- couldn’t help goading our little moron Russian troll.
unless I’m mistaken, this is about developing a laser system to counter incoming missiles (meaning, laser that will try to defeat missiles from close range)
It’s both. You are referring to the SHiELD system under the LANCE RFP. They are also looking at tactical (offensive) lasers, but size and power requirements will preclude fitting them to a fighter sized aircraft in the near term (AC-130 tests expected next year).
TooCool, not going to continue with the OT on a response- would simply suggest you go back and read the your post that I responded to. We will have to leave it as a difference of opinion shaped by national viewpoints.
Safran bringing M88 technology tgo make kaveri work
– No, this was stated by an Indian official and picked up by Jane’s. In reality, they are investing over 1 billion to complete Kaveri. It will not include specific “M88 tech” unless you consider the engineering prowess of Safran being used to complete Kaveri to be tech transfer. There are still sticky unanswered questions over ownership of Safran’s IP into the Kavari.
Blunt statement, but… wrong. Heard about anything called Kaveri maybe?
Industrial offsets aren’t the type of ToT that TooCool was talking about. Safran isn’t handing over engine technology from the M88 are they? They are helping India develop an engine that is 75% complete.
Not trying to get into a p@ssing match, I was pointing out the obvious: France, like the US, has and will use threat of military embargo in diplomacy, has and will protect IP by limiting ToT and source codes.
Every time this topic comes up, we have the usual bias: “The evil US will deny supplies or access to weapons in an active war zone, or can’t trust them on upgrades” heaped with a generous helping of fairy dust on how France supports customers and hands out ToT like Mansa Musa showing gold on a pilgrimage.
You need to account for creeping wave. Objects which are not within line of sight still have significant RCS.
Yes, exactly. I pointed that out of previous page when discussion turned to conformal weapons and tunnel mountings.
Forum discussions on RCS seem to degenerate into a discussion based on people believe and what they see (and neither tells the whole story). Seems eyeball RCS is a lot like a religious debate, short on tangibles long on feelings and suppositions.
Let’s examine two of your last statements about US and France as weapon suppliers:
– USA: do as they want, and if somebody is naive enough to become “partner”, he only gets to pay but doesn’t get much more than tiny bits to make eventually and a few aircraft almost as “off the shelf” (and about zero “modern” technology shared by the USA)
Really? What was the final ToT agreement of the Rafale deal with India? Zero. Egypt? Zero.
The F-35 deal with S. Korea included significant ToT (though not everything the Koreans wanted). You act as if France just hands over IP and source codes with all weapon purchases. B.S.
Furthermore, nations can and have added indigenous tech and weapons to US designs: Phantom FRG.2, F-4F, F-15I, F-16I, F-35I, F-16 Block 60 (which UAE funds developed and owns royalty fees should anyone buy F-16’s with the technology from it)
France? Has a well established reputation of fleecing customers for updates, what was the final cost of the Indian Mirage 2000-5 upgrades? How are those Taiwan Mirage 2000-5 upgrades doing? (hint- France had refused and quoted “exorbitant” prices)
Suez crisis comes to mind… already today, the US block interventions with the weapons they sold if they don’t approve them, and with US made-fighter like the F-35, which is by default “connected”.. you definitely will be able to intervene only when and where the USA agree for you to do it
What did France do to one of it’s largest weapon customers in ’67? Cut off all weapons supplies to the conflict area between Israel and Arab states (which only hurt Israel), then continued the embargo after the war to improve relations with the nations that Israel just fought. That embargo included Sa’ar 3 boats that had been paid for. Or did you forget the Cherbourg boats? Now I don’t want to get into a discussion of diplomacy, or Israel, but that sounds very much like France did exactly what you constantly accuse the US of doing as a weapon supplier.
Ironic that two of our French posters love point out how “unreliable” the US is as a weapon supplier, and how they protect their industry. Customers of French weapon systems must know exactly how US customers feel.
When have you seen and manufacturer or service state a specific RCS value, or one for a specific radar band. They just release vague equivalents: golfball, insect, bird (L-M’s famous assertion about the F-22 in 2009, -40dBm2 “from certain angles”).
KGB happens to be collecting his RCS values from comments sections on websites, a scientific approach if there ever was one.
Most of the “figures” floating around are assumed values for x-band as that the most common airborne fire control radar band.
Overall, this is a throwaway thread (though several posts on last page leaned dangerously close to making this a coherent and worthwhile topic).