Israel/Lebanon Situation (Merged)

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That’s quite enough. This thread has degenerated into mindless name-calling and xenophobia and is now closed.

Those of you who insist on such things can go and do your blind knee-jerk USA/Euro/Moslem/Whoeverthehellelse bashing elsewhere.

GA

Who’s really afraid here? I want to confront and destroy those who want to destroy me. My nation has been attacked several times before 9/11 (which everybody has seemed to have forgotten :rolleyes: ) THEY KILLED SEVERAL THOUSAND AMERICANS HOW THE F&*% AM I SUPPOSED TO FEEL???!!! Would you find me more acceptable if I cried and wet myself? :rolleyes: Where’s the hate and fear in defending your family and home?

Very moving.. Funny to hear you whine about some 2500 Americans and at the same time state you don’t care about how many civilians will die for your anti-Islamic crusade..

You are completely ignorant towards the suffering of others, why should others care about your suffering? I personally don’t give a sh!t about how do you feel and how many friends or relatives you might have lost. Does not concern me at all.. And seeing the extremist nature of your thinking I don’t even feel sorry for you..

I really don’t expect someone from Europe to understand my thinking. Most of Europe seems to have adopted a “run away and hide” mindset.

Wrong. Current European generation has been raised by fathers and mothers who know too well what war means..

I really wonder about people who claim they are anti-war or pacifists. Why won’t the they stand up and fight for who they love or what they believe in? I think they are just cowards and are trying to justifiy being a coward in their minds.

For who exactly should I stand up and fight for or against? Nobody endangers me or my beloved ones.. (except with rocketing oil prices)..

As for Iraq, if the worthless UN actually enforced their resolutions then the US wouldn’t have to go in and clean up the mess they made. Of course they really didn’t want to enforce them since Saddam was bribing everybody at the UN to stay in power and keep his WMD’s. Then they had to get the WMD’s out of there to cover their a$$ again when we were going in without the UN.

Great, show me proofs about Saddams WMDs you obviously have.. I have been waiting to see those since years.. 😎

My country has been attacked you have the luxury of “taking the high ground” because your small country hasn’t been touched and you probably think your country and your home will never be threatened. You don’t have a clue about my mindset. 😡

Your country attacked? For me the whole 9/11 smells like fabrication and believe me, I have read a LOT about it..

BTW, yes, you are completely right, I think my country and my home will never be threatened. Our government is absolutely idiotic (bloody leftists) but they are still light years better than warmongering vultures.

As for your ripoff of my post I’m not offended by it, your words are hollow, you didn’t mean it. Like the resolutions from the UN. :rolleyes:

Much better than idiotic self-called resolutions from the US, full of lies and fabrications..

P.S. Where are Saddam’s WMDs?

I’m not surprised :rolleyes:

The EU/NATO ran to the US before they had the guts to bomb Yugoslavia (without UN sanction).. Considering the “run away and hide” EU mindset do you really think they would come to your country’s aid.

Fail to see any connection to my country.. I am in the EU.. Yugoslavia is not EU and never was..

Pffff, you? :rolleyes: In your dreams.. We have European Union for these matters.. I’ll rather be damned than call United States for help.. My country has had more than enough foreign ‘help’ in the past.. No, thank you..

The EU/NATO ran to the US before they had the guts to bomb Yugoslavia (without UN sanction) Considering the “run away and hide” EU mindset do you really think they would come to your country’s aid.

…and so the fighting and bloodshed continues. Beautiful how your logic works in favor of the conflict, and nothing else – proving my point precisely. The fact that Hezbollah and radical Islam holds the cards to stop the mayhem instantly in the region is no secret to anyone except for Hezbollah itself (apparently). Speaking of this truth is definitely no “stylish excuse” of any sort. Radical Islam quits beating their head against the wall and the bloodshed stops – and its as painfully simple as that. Of course, to admit this as truth, you’d have to admit that radical Islam is in fact controlling the flow of blood in the region, and that leaves you little or no room for lodging complaints about the resulting humanitarian crisis.

Wrong.. You continue to blame one side only, despite all what Israel has been doing since 1948, I think it is pointless to continue here..

The rest of the world would love to see the Palestinian countries surrounding Israel flourish and prosper to their highest potential, but it will never happen as long as their continue to choose HATE as their primary export.

BS.. Israel would definitely hate to see Palestinians prosper.. And they prove that with every single step they are doing..

…Yet in the next breath you’ll blame us for overthrowing Iraq because of the immense wealth of their oil reserves!

Of course not, it was because of the immense amounts of WMDs Saddam was holding.. :rolleyes: I am glad you will provide thousands of links here twith proofs about the WMDs because after all the years I am somehow missing those..

Also, fuel prices are at an historic high here in the US, so your banter about “filling up our SUV’s for free” is grotesquely off base.

Don’t make me laugh.. You have no idea what the real prices are.. I am currently paying $5.09 per US gallon… Part of it is due to higher taxation, part of it due to higher petrol company profits and the rest is due to your f*cking wars.

I have never written here anything even resembling the trash full of fear and hatred you usually post..

BTW, you have mentioned that you want to destroy your enemies before they destroy your way of life. Let me ask you, how exactly did for example Iraqis endanger your way of life?

Who’s really afraid here? I want to confront and destroy those who want to destroy me. My nation has been attacked several times before 9/11 (which everybody has seemed to have forgotten :rolleyes: ) THEY KILLED SEVERAL THOUSAND AMERICANS HOW THE F&*% AM I SUPPOSED TO FEEL???!!! Would you find me more acceptable if I cried and wet myself? :rolleyes: Where’s the hate and fear in defending your family and home?

I really don’t expect someone from Europe to understand my thinking. Most of Europe seems to have adopted a “run away and hide” mindset.

I really wonder about people who claim they are anti-war or pacifists. Why won’t the they stand up and fight for who they love or what they believe in? I think they are just cowards and are trying to justifiy being a coward in their minds.

As for Iraq, if the worthless UN actually enforced their resolutions then the US wouldn’t have to go in and clean up the mess they made. Of course they really didn’t want to enforce them since Saddam was bribing everybody at the UN to stay in power and keep his WMD’s. Then they had to get the WMD’s out of there to cover their a$$ again when we were going in without the UN.

My country has been attacked you have the luxury of “taking the high ground” because your small country hasn’t been touched and you probably think your country and your home will never be threatened. You don’t have a clue about my mindset. 😡

As for your ripoff of my post I’m not offended by it, your words are hollow, you didn’t mean it. Like the resolutions from the UN. :rolleyes:

THEY (Israel) are responsible for everything, nobody else!

…and so the fighting and bloodshed continues. Beautiful how your logic works in favor of the conflict, and nothing else – proving my point precisely. The fact that Hezbollah and radical Islam holds the cards to stop the mayhem instantly in the region is no secret to anyone except for Hezbollah itself (apparently). Speaking of this truth is definitely no “stylish excuse” of any sort. Radical Islam quits beating their head against the wall and the bloodshed stops – and its as painfully simple as that. Of course, to admit this as truth, you’d have to admit that radical Islam is in fact controlling the flow of blood in the region, and that leaves you little or no room for lodging complaints about the resulting humanitarian crisis.

The rest of the world would love to see the Palestinian countries surrounding Israel flourish and prosper to their highest potential, but it will never happen as long as their continue to choose HATE as their primary export.

Learn about Iran-Iraq war and how on behalf of Western powers Saddam stupidly made all the work to keep Khomeini’s revolution within borders of Iran and thus exhausted his once prospering country.

Yet in the next breath you’ll blame us for overthrowing Iraq because of the immense wealth of their oil reserves! Also, fuel prices are at an historic high here in the US, so your banter about “filling up our SUV’s for free” is grotesquely off base.

You know, if the Arab world would just tell the West to stop supporting Israel or start buying oil at $200 dollars per barrel, the Hezbullah Holocaust would be over…

That is why US artificially keep secular governments in all oil exporting states except Iran..

Your enemies in this conflict would gladly say this tomorrow if they could be assured that radical Islam would bring an end to their offensive attacks. The opposite is not true. Yet again you fail to admit that radical Islam holds the cards to peace. The rest of the world is fed up with their lust for mayhem and would gladly end the bloodshed. The truth of this seems to be lost on you after repeated attempts to share that insight with you. Though if you were to admit this, your arguments would hold no water.

I don’t see nothing but lame and cheap excuses in style – THEY are responsible for everything, nobody else! In reality, for peace you need two sides wanting it – at present time there is as little effort to maintain peace from the side of Muslims as from the side of USA and Israel..

They attacked our Allies unprovoked and attempted to overthrow a soverign nation – period. We came to the rescue of Kuwait, and that war dragged on for over a decade (though some conveniently don’t see it that way for their own argument’s sake). Saddam continued attacking our aircraft in his no fly zone and defying all of the resolutions that secured him from further correction. In the end, his punishment fit the crime. If he could not be trusted to keep within his borders and not overthrow neighboring nations, he himself would have to be overthrown. The only challenge now is installing a replacement government that can (hopefully) be rationalized with so we can get out of that hell hole – but that’s another story.

It only shows how little do you know about the background of this conflict.. Did you ever ask why Saddam made such idiotic and desperate move as to seize Kuwait? Of course not, because in your little plywood soapbox watching FoxNews is obviously more than enough! Learn about Iran-Iraq war and how on behalf of Western powers Saddam stupidly made all the work to keep Khomeini’s revolution within borders of Iran and thus exhausted his once prospering country.. Saudis, Kuwaiti princes and Emirs from UAE have one person to thank that they are still in power today and that Americans can fill up your SUV almost for free – and that is person is Saddam Hussein, like it or not… You have used the whole Iraqi nation to make the dirty work for you back in the 80s – and you have paid them back with bombs and ruins for that.. They have all the imaginable reasons to hate you like plague and nobody can blame them for that..

They attacked our Allies unprovoked and attempted to overthrow a soverign nation – period.

The same has US been doing for decades…

I’m not sure where you’re from Flex,

I am from somewhere where both FoxNews and Al-Jazeera are unavailable… And I am damn glad about it…

but if your country gets threatened by overthrow, I can probably guess who your government will be calling.

Pffff, you? :rolleyes: In your dreams.. We have European Union for these matters.. I’ll rather be damned than call United States for help.. My country has had more than enough foreign ‘help’ in the past.. No, thank you..

I guess the chance is exactly as slim as make you say – Gee I guess I was wrong, and I don’t want to kill anybody who has different values than me.

Your enemies in this conflict would gladly say this tomorrow if they could be assured that radical Islam would bring an end to their offensive attacks. The opposite is not true. Yet again you fail to admit that radical Islam holds the cards to peace. The rest of the world is fed up with their lust for mayhem and would gladly end the bloodshed. The truth of this seems to be lost on you after repeated attempts to share that insight with you. Though if you were to admit this, your arguments would hold no water.

Let me ask you, how exactly did for example Iraqis endanger your way of life?

They attacked our Allies unprovoked and attempted to overthrow a soverign nation – period. We came to the rescue of Kuwait, and that war dragged on for over a decade (though some conveniently don’t see it that way for their own argument’s sake). Saddam continued attacking our aircraft in his no fly zone and defying all of the resolutions that secured him from further correction. In the end, his punishment fit the crime. If he could not be trusted to keep within his borders and not overthrow neighboring nations, he himself would have to be overthrown. The only challenge now is installing a replacement government that can (hopefully) be rationalized with so we can get out of that hell hole – but that’s another story.

I’m not sure where you’re from Flex, but if your country gets threatened by overthrow, I can probably guess who your government will be calling. Of course, a certain ilk among you will complain that we’re only there to harvest whatever resources you might have. It sucks beign the first country people turn to for help, and the first country people blame when even the slightest misgiving comes as a result.

Which is the lesser of two evils – letting Saddam run roughshot over Kuwait, Saudi Arabia, etc, or trying to balance the region by stopping him, only to set various tribes at each others throats as a result. Either way the Middle East always seems to be teetering on massive imbalance. Next time we’ll do nothing and be blamed for not caring about Muslims and allowing Iran one of its neighboring countries to destroy each other completely. Damned if you do, damned if you don’t.

Your still here. :rolleyes:

I have never written here anything even resembling the trash full of fear and hatred you usually post..

BTW, you have mentioned that you want to destroy your enemies before they destroy your way of life. Let me ask you, how exactly did for example Iraqis endanger your way of life?

Replace *terrorists* by *Israel* and you sound exactly like a hardcore HAMAS supporter. :rolleyes:

Funny how posts like these openly justifying killing based on nationalism are easily tolerated.. I bet my a$$ if anyone posted such load of extremist trash against USA or Israel, he would be immediately kicked off here without warning.. :rolleyes:

Your still here. :rolleyes:

So are you going to try and reason with Mahmoud? What are you going to tell him that will make him say, “Well gee I guess I was wrong about the West and I don’t want to destroy Israel or the US.” What are you going to do to make him change his mind? Or are you just going to hope he just goes away?

I guess the chance is exactly as slim as make you say – Gee I guess I was wrong, and I don’t want to kill anybody who has different values than me.

So Flex do you really want all Israeli’s dead?

I have no reasons for that..

So are you going to try and reason with Mahmoud? What are you going to tell him that will make him say, “Well gee I guess I was wrong about the West and I don’t want to destroy Israel or the US.” What are you going to do to make him change his mind? Or are you just going to hope he just goes away?

So Flex do you really want all Israeli’s dead?

Speaking as a moderator, I’ve always found that so long as both sides in an argument accuse you of bias, you can be reasonably sure that you’re getting the balance right. :D:D:D

Great. I will only use rephrased suflanker45’s words, nothing more and post a response in style:
I want all Israelis dead and I don’t care how many civilians die to accomplish this. They allowed their government to be hijacked by extremist neocons who impose their radical policy on others, so all Israeli civilians are guilty, plus all Americans that support them.. All deserve a painful death, even if it means turning the damn Earth into a giant sheet of glass… If that is necessary so that everything I care about survives then so be it!!

So, how does it sound? This are exactly the words of Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, Abdel Aziz Rantissi, Khaled Meshal, Hassan Nasrallah and the likes. How is this guy better than those he is so utterly fighting about?

I got the BBC report of the local radio station here in Orlando, FL USA. Now that report may have not gone out all over.

The USAF has been called the country club of the US Armed Forces and when I was in there were many who thought it was a 9 to 5 job. However my Group and Squadron CO’s always said our mission is death and when I joined up I knew there was a chance I could go in harms way. Anybody here ever talk to a US Marine? Now they are some serious killers.

Anyone here read On War by Clauswitz. Warfare is a continuation of politics by other means. Total War-to destroy an opponet’s infrastructure and will to fight. To apply this to current events as long as the terrorists hide among the civilian population and dress like the civilian population then civilians will wind up being killed in order to kill the terrorist.

If the media is distorting how Arabs view the West then can we trust them when they report so called Lebenese civilian deaths? After all they seem more concerned with ratings then the truth.

The Arab nations are concerned about what Iran is doing. Iranians are not ethnic Arabs and are from a different Islamic sect. The president of Iran gave a speech stating he wants to destroy Israel and the Anglo-Saxons. Do we really want this guy to get the bomb?

Yeah I share some of the terrorist’s mindset. Sun Tzu- Know your enemy and know yourself and you will always be victorous. To know your enemy you must think like them. They want to destroy my way of life so I want to destroy them before they do the same to me.

My point exactly! Glad to see you coming around 😉

You know, if the Arab world would just tell the West to stop supporting Israel or start buying oil at $200 dollars per barrel, the Hezbullah Holocaust would be over…

The arab world so far is against the hezzis and Iran.
Egypt and the Saudis are not to happy with a Shia Persian country
trying to be the leaders of the Arab world.

Originally Posted by Rob Mears

Should I preach

No thanks.

………..So are poor puns