Nelson Mandela

That’s the Trevor Baylis clockwork TV, I presume, is it Linc??:D

And clockwork radio:D. Seriously though, I can forsee a lot of trouble in SA in the near future.

Jim.
Lincoln .7

I hope all our lot going over there have filled in their expenses forms ok,i would hate to think of them going without over Christmas.

Yes, I can just imagine them sitting in their mud huts watching it all on T.V.!!
Jim.
Lincoln .7

I just wonder, the size of Africa, just how many of the whole of Africa have even heard of Mandela.
Jim.
Lincoln .7

Christian Worch?

I was wondering who’s drawn the short straws to sit next to Mugabe at Mandela’s memorial service today……Bono or Oprah Winfrey? Or both!!

nkvd, There is one person who frequently goes off topic on this Forum…….Watch this space………………:D…spices things up now and then.
Jim.
Lincoln .7

No i am not.Just a newbie trying to get to grips with the forum

Not many threads get very far here without somebody comparing somebody to Hitler, Stalin, Himmler, Pol Pot…

…just don’t take it (or anything else) personally! Welcome to the forum. 🙂

How does a thread on Mandela end up with Himmler in it?

They both were involved in murdering innocent men woman and children.

PW was the pres also known as the crocodile and Pik was foreign min

No i am not.Just a newbie trying to get to grips with the forum

There was also the admission obviously that African political development had to be accomodated of course.
In this regard, PW Botha (different to Pik Botha, btw) set about the dismantelling of petty apartheid unilaterally. It made sense.

Yes, I confused the two Bothas….the BBC Radio4 programme contained Pik Botha speaking . BBC Radio4 is this week serializing Mandela’s Book ‘Long Walk to Freedom’

You’re not from around these parts are you? 😉

How does a thread on Mandela end up with Himmler in it?

Himmler never killed anyone did he, but try selling that one to the Jews of the world, 5 hundred or 5 million their blood is on his hands. what I always find
nauseating is people like him and the likes of Myra Hindley and others always find God AFTER they get banged up but never before, strange that.

Sanctimonious and self-pitying nonsense by Snapper.@Wilhem-taking up arms when the cause is just does not turn one into a criminal eg American rev and civilians regretably die in war.In any case the church street bombing targeted air force hdq and incidences like this were few

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I don’t know which law school you attended?

You’ve never heard of guilt by complicity or association ?

I presume that Mandela never himself plunged the knife, administered the poison or pulled the trigger. He didn’t have to. If he planned or organised that would be sufficient to establish guilt on any charge. As for your rather nonsensical comment that he, Mandela, was in prison when various crimes were commissioned, thereby inferring his innocence; Derek Bentley was in police custody when during 1952, Bentley and Craig perpetrated the murder of P.C Miles. It did not save Bentley.
He was complicit in the eyes of the law because he was there.

What can I say, just as in the Jimmy Saville case, there ain’t nothing you can do about bringing him to justice now and to be honest the sentence he recieved and actually served far out weighed anything they would give today for murder. You need to remember that, no point getting wound up after the guy is brown bread..

True.

And indeed, he himself alludes to the fact, as I mentioned earlier, that prison made him try and understand the reasons and motives of the Afrikaner people.

Was watching a discussion the other day that included FW de Klerk and Thabo Mbeki.

De Klerk alluded to the trauma of the Boer War, where the Afrikaners had a huge percentage of their women and children taken from them in truly awful, and indeed evil circumstances.

This trauma directly influenced many of the leaders who were involved in the setting up of apartheid, or seperate development to them. They had had mothers, siblings, and relatives who died in the camps.
It is imperitive this is understood, as nothing happens in a vacuum.

They were so transfixed with securing a safe destiny for their nation, after the recent trauma, that they ignored the bad they were doing to others.
They ignored black political needs.
It became a monster.

It is within this context, that Nelson Mandela studied, that he began to understand their fears and aspirations.

Prison changed him.

In the UK you generally have to have committed the crime in order to be found guilty of it…

Not true, surely; if you commission another to commit murder you yourself can be convicted of murder even if you were in prison at the time.

If your issue is that Nelson Mandela was never charged with, or convicted of murder, is not that rather outweighed by the man himself admitting that he ordered fatal bombings to be carried-out?

What can I say, just as in the Jimmy Saville case, there ain’t nothing you can do about bringing him to justice now and to be honest the sentence he recieved and actually served far out weighed anything they would give today for murder. You need to remember that, no point getting wound up after the guy is brown bread..