It is a matter of time before India tests again…the sub based warheads have not being tested. No sense in spending billions on nuclear subs if there is no warhead to arm the missiles they will carry. The MMRCA has to last 30 years..that is a very long period of time.

They don’t need speperate testing, only missiles need testing. India has self imposed morotorium on testing and the two leading parties in the country have no intention of further tests.

If you have Nuclear and TN warheads which are successfully tested, you don’t need to furhter test it on SLBMs.

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This figure of 120 LCAs has been going on for a while now, nothing new in it, thats what I wrote in my attachment in post # 416

Yeah right IAF is not interested and still they are inducting 83 MK2. :rolleyes:
BTW How does this news translate into further MMRCA order?

I said further order for MMRCA depends on failure of LCA-MK2, and failure means those 83 MK2s are not inducted for some reason or there is along delay going into 2020s. Current MKI follow on orders are happening because IAF doesnt have a choice. Further MMRCA order will only arrive after 2022+ when first 126 would have been produced already, and IAF will have a choice at that time in MK2 or even PAKFA.

A total of 123 LCA MK2 cannot fill the gap left by the retirement of several types in the IAF. The LCA MK2 order was projected to be around 200nos that would have reduced the chance of further MRCA orders. But as it stands now I will not be surpised if the MRCA order goes beyond 200+. This of course will be all but true if somehting like the Gripen is selected.

…as opposed to other arm chair generals who consider themselves more american than americans themselves so that any criticism of the US however minor is bound to get their goat so to speak.lol.
while in this global economy some form of interdependence cannot be ruled out or even is beneficial bothways , dependence on crucial technologies should be minimised.
current strategic climate means nothing , strategic climate is as transient and unpredictable as the weather ..as they say ..a butterfly flaps its wings in beijing and the weather over new york changes.
there is some sort of writing on the wall alright , not sure that its the correct writing is all.

A few encouraging words would have been nice but to be honest , the Tejas has a lot to catch up to.

I do not care about America to be honest. What I care about is what is best for India at this period in time and the majority of the policy makers agree that closer ties with the United States is the order of the day, same with the opposition NDA as well. Only some rogue leftist elements in the Indian political establishment along with some psuedo intellects are sticking to the old cold-war stance of keeping America at bay.

Each weapons supplier comes with their own set of problems.

a. The Americans when there are no sanctions are super realiable and delivers products on time and at correct price. The FMS route means there is no chance of corruption. Yet they have legislations preventing the level of ToT we may seek and yes they have strong views on nuclear proliferation and sanctions are inevitable in case of nuclear testing.

b. The French have decent equipment and give us more autonomy with the equipment we purchase. They don’t care about testing Nukes or doing our bit, basically their equipment are sanction proof. But they cost a lot to procure and future upgrades are bound to be costly as well. The French armament is also more expesnive than the American ones. In the MRCA case as some one pointed out the Mirage deal may aide the Rafale because of weapon commonality.

c. The Russian equipment are good but not as proven as their western counterparts, as their Air Force don’t operate their most advanced fighters we will have to go through the initial teething issues and troubles associated with a new fighter. The availability rates are poorer and the running costs much higher compared to western equipment. They have a long history of delays in delivery of equipment and spares, and offering ToT and then going back on it.

Making your own is the only way forward, Tejas is not a world beater but it is our own, and can do a decent job on the western front. The IAF needs to get off its high chairs and start showing more support to the native industry. The best thing that could happen is to have a DPP which forces the armed forces into buying a certain percentage of indigenous equipment, as well as making the various DPSUs answerable to the armed forces.

The ACM about the Tejas. Sounds like IAF is not much interested in the platform. For all those who said its comparable to Gripen :rolleyes:

There are some areas where work still needs to be done. There are aspects that need to be improved. We have agreed to a list of concessions for IOC. But we are sure that ADA will fulfil those by June, with full operational clearance in a couple of years. The refinements we are looking for include wake penetration tests, all weather clearance, lightning clearance, etc. Some parameters have only been partly tested. After all, we’ve waited a long time for the Tejas. We don’t want a partial platform. We want everything fully operational,” he said.

Shortly after two Tejases roared into the sky for a quick flight display, Naik went on to describe the Tejas as a “MiG-21++” fighter, and went on to say, “At present it is not a fourth generation aircraft. It will come up, but at present it is not.” He also indicated that the Tejas Mk-II would not only be powered by the F414 engine, but would incorporate airframe design changes and newer avionics. A statement issued today by ADA today said that the IAF had projected a need for 83 Tejas Mk-II aircraft (which would give the IAF a fleet of 123 aircraft in total — far less than projected). The first flight of the Mk-II is scheduled for December 2014. Indigenous content on the Mk-II will be 75 per cent according to the HAL chief.

http://livefist.blogspot.com/2011/01/iaf-grudgingly-accepts-tejas-ioc-wants.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+blogspot%2FUQMw+%28LiveFist+-+The+Best+of+Indian+Defence%29

Saying the truth as it is is not bias…it really does not matter how friendly an American administration is to India,American domestic laws leave them with no choice but to apply sanctions in case of a nuclear test or they will break American laws.

The situation was the same in 1998 and is the same in 2011 as America law has not changed.

Don’t test Nukes and we would be ok and looking at the current agenda of the two leading parties especially wrt to Santhanam allegations, we are not going to test a Nuke for a long long time.

It is not because there is currently no BVR capability among other things all that will come with FOC.

I think HAL has to deliver its full complement of Su 30s before it can produce the FGFA at the said numbers, it will also be producing MRCA and LCA so I think that production rate is optimistic.

We know that the IAF almost always exercises the option for further pruchases. So i think 200 MRCA are a given and there is room for that and LCA MK2.

At the end of the day Russia is still making more money from India than it ever has before. Market share is irrelevant.

😀 I wasn’t arguing the point, just saying Indian dependence on Russia won’t be total like it is now.