quadbikeI really don’t know why India is looking for western/Israeli JVs when it comes to SAMs. Russia is clearly the world leader when it comes to these systems.
Would love some S 400s on the Chinese border.
quadbikeThe only other explanation is the fishermen beat themselves up which is unlikely.
quadbiked) I do not need ‘tehelka’ to tell me what happens there, I have been to those places and have friends who live in the border districts (of both countries). tehelka is BS’ing, to put it lightly.
Yeah as with all things you know better than National Magazines and News Papers as you have relatives, friends etc living all over the country, give it a break I am always going to believe reputed magazines, News papers over you.
You are arguing that it is right to repeat old mistakes and commit crimes, because there were criminals in the past.
It would be wiser to learn from the mistakes of others – instead of copying them.
Yep you did your share in the past its our turn to do our share, after we done that we can all sit and talk about how to save our planet.
The planet don’t need saving by the way, it will be fine in a few million years, its we who need saving :p.
quadbikemay be not. but bangladeshi border guards, BDR regularly give covering fire to smugglers and cattle lifters and also murder people quite regularly.
that’s even worse than the lankans because at least these people are not going into bangladeshi territory to steal natural resources, unlike the tamil fishermen.
keep hoping for that sea gripen.
1. Please do not start on that, the BSF’s atrocities on Bangladesh border has no bounds, I remember several Tehelka articles regarding how poor Indian civilians are being shot by BSF and called Smugglers (just to fill in numbers). Many of the Smugglers/Cattle lifters from either side of the border do that for survival.
2. The maritime border is very vague in places like Ramanathapuram etc, & like corrssion said the fishermen don’t have advanced equipments to tell them where they are, and shooting and beating up unarmed fishermen is not professional of any Navy, if they are violating borders arrest them.
3. I really hope the land based LCA works out, ADA clearly has more than it can chew with its limited budget and man-power. The Navy chief has already said how disappointed he is about the NLCA. So yes Sea Gripen has a good chance if Navy wants a light fighter, & Rafale M, F 35 if it wants a heavy one.
quadbikeI was waiting to see when quad starts this eviil naarthie business. 😀 typical chip on the shoulder mentality. if GOI somehow doesn’t care about south Indians kindly explain the enrica lexie incident.
is italy a lesser power than sri lanka ?
guess what, the defence minister himself comes from kerala, another evil north Indian state. 😉
and yeah this happened to a group of bengali fishermen few days back when bangladeshi pirates looted their boats and murdered some of them. didn’t see much media coverage on that.
1. Enrica Lexie incident the government was left with no choice and it happened under the nose of the Southern Naval command, there is also the Sonia-Italy line, any let off on the issue would have given political ammunition to the opposition regarding the congress leader’s birth place and her loyalty to India.
2. Done by Pirates, which is not the same as a Navy doing this for many years to Tamil fishermen is it ? Its clear that the congress party is pro Lanka ever since the killing of Rajiv Gandhi.
As for the NLCA, I reckon we will never see it enter service.
quadbikeHow tiresomely old-fashioned & uncivilised. This is the 21st century, not the 19th. Chinese behaviour is to be abhorred, not taken as a model to be emulated.
Your proposed course of action could lead to Kerala & Tamil Nadu getting a rather better look at the behaviour of the PLAN than they’d be comfortable with. Who would Sri Lanka turn to for protection if India becomes too overbearing?
The lives of our fishermen are as important as the lives of SriLankan Navy men, Italian Marines etc. At least close to its waters India is now a power to be reckoned with and its time we act like one.
Nice argument I see the same from westerners when it comes to Global warming as well. “We did it back then when it was alright but now you cannot do it”. We are talking about our own backyard here, China does this near its waters, Russia does it against Georgia and others near its area of influence, the Americans invaded Panama, Europeans went to war with Yugoslavia. This is how great powers operate, if India wants to be a great power this is the way it should operate too, but if it wants to be bullied by smaller nations as well as big then it can continue its current course of action.
To me it just points to the great Indian divide, where the people in Delhi don’t really care that much about the lives of Tamilians and South Indians in general. Lest this happen to Bengali fishermen with their ruling party holding in the coalition @ centre the reaction would be entirely different.
The Behaviour of Lankan Navy cannot be justified, they are supposed to be our friends, where Pakistan Navy considered to be a potential adversary takes Indian Fishermen prisoners, but seldom fire on them.
Lanka will turn to China ? In Indian Ocean PLAN will be at a great disadvantage compared to India. They cannot compete with us in/near our own waters.
quadbikeFor me this is Bureaucratic shambles & Red Tapism, HAL is owned by government CEMILAC is a government agency, they must be told to look the other way, what is to loss its not a passenger plane the pilot can always eject.
Some idiots being overly cautious.
quadbikeYeah right, and open up another front down south and push the Lankans firmly in the Sino-Pak sphere of influence :rolleyes:
The truth is people in Delhi don’t really care about people in the South, had this happened up North they would all be up in arms.
We can prevent Sri Lanka from joining any such sphere with Force and Coercion.
No other power will take such arrogance so lightly, if it was the Chinese SL Navy would have been taught a lesson already.
quadbikeIf you are a big power you must behave like one, even if that means bullying the little ones near you.
Sink a SLN ship and they will never do it again.
quadbikeSea Gripen Emerges from the Shadows.
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quadbikeIndian fishermen attacked, allegedly by Sri Lankan navy
Time to teach them a lesson, may be IN can fire on SN or better overwhelm them, arrest them and try them in a Tamil Nadu court.
Chennai: Five Indian fishermen were attacked in the seas allegedly by Lankan navy in the Indian water last night.
The Lankan naval personnel yesterday attacked the fishermen with wooden logs, stones and bottles, resulting in bone fracture of a 25-year-old youth and serious injuries to others, they said.
One of the injured fishermen has been admitted to in a hospital in Ramanathapuram. Several other fishermen, whose back were swollen with weals and bruises, were being treated at private hospitals, police said.
The youth said it was a “brutal” attack by the Lankan navalmen who surrounded 25 boats of the fishermen. “They damaged the boats, snapped the fishing nets and lashed out at us with logs and pelted stones,” he said.
The Ministry of External Affairs has asked Colombo to take up reports of attack on Indian fishermen with the concerned Sri Lankan authorities.
quadbikeNow you start mixing things to get your point. I have no problem to grant that Israel shows some typical double standard behavior in some other areas typical for the Middle East. In the very case of the Iran it is about the Iran violating the NPT. Even Russia recognises that its client Iran has a problem about that. 😉
As I said the NPT is the unfairest international law around.
Will only stop being so if the powers who have Nuclear weapons including non signatories like India, Pakistan & Israel & the certified Nuclear powers give up their own weapons.
😉
quadbikeOnce upon a time as a USAF pilot training instructor, I spent a fair amount of time with Iranian AF students. Nice guys and were typical of students in general…some good, some average, and some not so much.
I’ve often wondered what ever happened to them.
You ever thought about facing them in battle (I suppose the relations turned sour before you retired)
quadbike16 Months so quick. Yawns.
quadbikeThe plight of the palestinians, which seems to the the topic that gets lots hot under the collar, is actually more the responsibility of the Arab countries surrounding Israel that attacked the fledgling state in 1948 than any responsibility of the Israeli state.
Israeli defensiveness is a product of that unprovoked attack in 1948; this provoked the aggression that Israeli desire to defend their people often manifests as.Just as significant an overlooked element is the use of the displaced Arab population as political pawns by the Arab nations.
(With no Israeli need to act in defence of their state there would have been no displacement of population as occured in later years.)
The simplest and earliest example of this is the refusal of surrounding Arab nations to allow the displaced population to integrate into the populations of those nations.
If this had occured, accepting that it is not a “fair” outcome, the “issue” of the displaced palestinians would have been resolved and potentially a lasting peace could be established in the region.
The Arab nations historically however do not seek peace and thus have continued to force the palestinians to live in the camps thus allowing their plight to be used to attack the “evil” Israelis.
It is sad that the less thoughtful westerners are duped by this ruse and thus take up the “palestianian” cause versus Israel.
In reality they are supporting the Arab, muslim cause not the plight of suffering palestinians.As to the desirabilty of the nutters in Iran having nukes versus the Israelis having them there is no comparison; anybody claiming that there is has an agenda or is hopelessly deluded.
Just my two pennyths. 😀
So you have this big estate where you and your people have been living for centuries, and suddenly some city businessmen decides to take some of your land and give it to some industrial workers from the city, despite your protests and without making you a party to any of their plans.
How would you react ? That is all the Arabs did back then and their position is justifiable, like you could argue that the immediate attack on Israel was the reason for the Palestinian’s plight, I could argue that the creation of Israel has contributed more to global terrorism than anything else. Yes the Global Jihad is a terrible thing, but like the Jihad during the Crusades. its more reactionary to western intervention on Middle Eastern way of life.
Now Israel is a reality and I really don’t blame the Israelites for their current predicament either, after being decimated by some Europeans, they were offered a piece of land by some other Europeans, what choice did they have, after all they have been through they would have taken land near Timbuktu.
To sum up the middle east issue shows, how Europeans and their cousins across the Atlantic create problems and then shifts the blame, now Germany is Israel’s best buddy while the Arabs & Muslims who offered them support during the tragedy of the 40s their sworn enemies.
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