Remains to be seen, i bet they will fit their versions at the end

How do you know that?

How then they are developing PAKFA, and have a lot of other military programs running right now?

The pakfa is important for the aviation industry, is not only the first russian 5th generation aircraft, but also, the second 5th gen plane after the cold war years, no european 5th gen on sight, no other 5th gen plane from the USA, russians know what they are getting, why to share it? IMO it won’t happen.

Is more or less the case of the su-35 in brasil, the russians went out because the ToT thing, why ToT for such new aircraft with new electronics and structural engineering?

The involvement of India in the Pakfa, is again 0, the tales of share development between india and Russia have more than 10 years already, despite of this, russians went alone…no they didn’t wait for the indians overlords because they were broken, sorry but you are overrating the indian importance in the development, they will be customers, russians will bring them the flexibility to stuff whatever they want, but they won’t buy pakfas with fantastic indian composites (?) or great indian seekers (?)

1. You can think whatever you want.

2. Because the Yakhont is an anti ship missile, and Brahmos is multi-purpose can attack land and sea targets. For that it has to have a better seeker (for attacking land targets)

3. But other programs have suffered because of it. They want us Indians in possibly because we can pump in some cash. Same with MRT, suits both the countries.

4. India will have its own stealth fighter and 25% share in the Russian project not bad at all.

Type59
It is easy to belittle, but is india on the cutting edge like US or is following the establised path? You make it sound like India is learning from Russia and West and China is just copycating them, to me it sounds similiar. Infants copy their elders to learn, but we dont say they are copycating their elders.

It is not similar, India like you said at the moment have inferior indigenous capabilities, it is akin to a demanding infant being nurtured, development will be slow.

China is like a rowdy teenager stealing from the shop they are working in etc. etc. Hence it gest rich (tech-wise) fast.

No, russians are not bothered to buy brahmos, because they think their missiles are superior.

Because they are broke. 😉 Which is a good thing we can invest some money and get a good deal and ToT.

Hardly reliable/official.

It is check the link in that thread. 😉

Zhuk ME range

http://www.deagel.com/Aircraft-Warners-and-Sensors/Zhuk-ME_a001457001.aspx

I hear that argument often, but I think it depents on what you get in return for your money.
Rafale with full ToT, source codes, Kaveri-Snecma engine, not limited techs, using the same weapons like several of IAF present fighters, without any restrictions, or sanction problems, offering the possibility of same fighters for IN is in my opinion a really good offer for the money.

F18SH instead is reported to have limited AESA capabilities and ToT, source codes won’t be provided, customizations are not allowed, restrictions and sanction problems likely and totally new weapons must be procured.

IMO it’s like pay more, get more isn’t it?

1. Within the allocated budget of 10-12 billion i doubt one could procure 126 Rafales or Eurofighters.

2. As seen with the recent tanker cancellation, the Finance Ministry is unlikely to sanction more funds if there is a cheaper aircraft which satisfies IAFs requirements in the RFP.

3. ToT and everything you said about the Rafale is nice, but it is no substitute for Price. Rafale more than EF suffers in that regard for its weapons are all European and hence more pricey than its American counterparts which are available in case of the Eurofighter. The French wants nearly 34 million per aircraft to upgrade IAF Mirages, imagine how much it would cost to upgrade the Rafales (126 of them) in future ?

4. There is always the Gripen and the MIG to fall back, both come with full ToT and Source Code for Radars and are much cheaper than the Rafale.

5. Many of the things regarding the super hornet are pure speculation and not official, the lack of source codes, dumb down AESA etc are quoted from random officers here and there from USN and others :rolleyes:

=> the 01/10/2010 the Rafale own officially the “second best” titlle in AA, it’s now up to the EF to take it back during another meeting

I agree a small correction. Second best among the western fighters. I hope for a joint exercise of Rafale with Su 30MKI or Su 35 before they can claim that.

Its not A2A against a legacy airframe, its an overwhelming result out of the blue against the two aircraft which are rated as better or comparable to the Rafale.

Against the Typhoon yes.

Losing only once against the Raptor is a great result but does not make the Rafale superior to it.

The MiG 29 As are going to be re-engined and brought to SMT+ standards.