Two 30 mm guns on a 5th generation fighter.

If both of you have stealth you may end up dog fighting, 2 guns better than 1 ?

What’s good for France is that it can sell some Rafale to India and milk us for future upgrades of the same and support and weapons. It is unlikely that Rafale will win the MRCA.

With the exchange ratio that was rumoured from defencenet.gr (20 old Mirage for 3 Rafales), you would get 7,5 Rafales for your 50 Mirage, including probably your Mirage spare parts stock and weaponry.

I was talking about a Mirage + Cash deal for the Rafale. Not exchanging 50 Mirages for 7 Rafale. The IAF is going to spend 41 million to upgrade a Mirage, If the Rafale can be offered at a slightly reduced price in exchange of the Mirages the IAF can get those and that would make a lot of sense than upgrading Mirages.

Nowhere near! Most of Indias Mirages are 1980s vintage. An unmodernised Mirage 2000 is not worth anywhere near as much as half a Rafale. You’re asking the French to almost give away Rafales.

The UAE deal is for a mixed bag of M2Ks: half are a bit newer than most of the Indian ones, but have been modernised to M2K-9 standard, i.e. similar to the M2K-5 Mk 2 standard. The other half are new-build M2K-9. You are suggesting France should, in effect, pay more for Mirage 2000s than for Rafales, as what you expect the French to pay for Indias M2Ks, plus the cost of upgrading them, would be more than the cost of a Rafale.

Why would they do that?

No I think you mistook me. Or may be I did not put it across correctly.

I was saying France Should over India 50-60 Million Per Rafale for 35-40 Rafale’s in a deal that would say them taking back Indian Mirages.

I was suggesting that capability wise a smaller number of Rafales may better serve us than upgrading the 50 odd Mirages we have.

I hope i have made myself clear.

There’s nothing to upgrade on a brand new F-16, as proposed to India :rolleyes:

In the future there is room for upgrading these F 16s if selected are bound to serve for 40 years+ by that time America would have retired it for like a decade or more and Israel can help with future upgrades.

They will also see potential in selling Derby/Python series to India as well.

If you read between the lines I think it points to the fact that only the cheaper single engined fighters will be considered at the end the rest of the competition may not stand much of a chance.

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I wonder if the French will come up with a Cheeky offer for buying back the IAF Mirages and offering the Rafale instead, in a deal that is outside the MRCA.

Are you sure the Astra is SARH and not active? For some reason, I have always thought of it as an ARH. Why would they go for a SARH this late in the game?

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I think i got that wrong it is indeed ARH 🙂 and hence you are right the Mica EM won’t make much sense.

Using the Mica’s Seeker as an IRST ?