do you see anybody steals a 46 inches TV at store and go home and builds their own LCD screen and decoder processor??

Even if HAL was given the blue print of Su-33 I doubt it will pull off a J-15.

btw they are aiming for a higher TOW than su-33, AFAIK they are happy with it..

on a general note:

apparently bid was between Chengdu and Shengyang again. Shengyang won on a “lower risk approach”, less schedule risk.. Chengdu wants to do either 1) J-10 carrier version. and 2) a stealthier superbug lookalike. donno for sure.

If HAL had the blue prints & Russia would sell them engines HAL could easily make an SU 33. Infact HAL is doing exactly that with the Su 30 but we are paying them the license fee which is their due rather than ripping them off.

I am sure in the end they will compare to the Su 33 as ‘Sunny Walkman’ would do to a ‘Sony Walkman’.

Stealing is one thing then congratulating yourself over it is quite another.

Just for the record i see you have put on your F-35 ‘tunnel glasses’ yet again..
Now do you remember the recent Mig-29UPG deal?;)
Now put that in the same basket as IN Mig-29K deal.
And what does this tell you, that IN and IAF have the same interest, and beside it is not entirly up to IN to decide what to get, it is the Indian MoD final say.
If they see a fair offer which will save them lots of funding and still get a decent Naval fighter. Then the Mig-29K is spott on.
And the Mig-29K will go on atleast to 2025.
After that its the same story with IAF Pak-Fa and IN Naval Pak-Fa.
I now rest my case.:cool:

1. The IAF UPG deal was bound to happen regardless of the MIG 29K deal. IN & IAF have different interests and different priorities, IN for example supports indigenous projects more.

2. Many here speculated that having a Naval variant will help the SH win the MRCA that surely is not going to happen, again shows IAF & IN makes independent decisions.

3. This is exactly why LM has proposed the F 35, EADS the Sea Typhoon & SAAB the Sea Gripen, I think MIG will respond with a MIG 35K (29K with MIG 35 internals).

4. There is no planned Naval PAK FA for the moment, it may take a while to materialize, and I can’t see the navy operating it. It would the F 35C or RafaleM.

Let me see..
Ah yes, your bubble again.
Just when do you think an IN F-35 order will materilize?
Way after 2020, yes?
By then the Indians would have invested heavly in the Pak-Fa/FGFA right!
Now sinse they allready invested so much hard cash, why not go for a Naval T-50:confused:

But nah, by your wet dreams, India will instead proccure yet another type of fighter for an insanly price and under par with Pak-Fa which they allready got by then..
Your logic fails.

:rolleyes: There exists no Naval T-50 version and there is no development planned as of now. It may be well into the 2020s while we may need the new Naval fighter in the early 20s.

The Navy has nothing to do with what types IAF operates. It has in the past operated totally different types and even now it is in the Harrier. So you argument wrt to logistics and all fail.

IN did not send an RFI to Sukhoi, and yes India will procure yet another fighter for the Navy ;). As i say again it has nothing to do with what the IAF operates.

Is that confirmed or wishful thinking?

Its on offer for the Indian Navy. And Pakistan will never be offered the F 35 anyway 🙂

That certainly is a stretch! I seriously cannot see that happening.

Tell that to LM who has responded with F 35 B and C with the INs RFI for the next gen fighter. The RFI was sent to MIG, Dassault, SAAB, Boeing & Eurofighter. Only people living in the 1980s cannot see IN operating F35s soon.

i.e for that to happen Russia has to first operate a fifth gen Naval fighter or atleast fly a prototype then China has to copy it and integrate it. F 35 C for IN will happen way before that. 😎

Why Germany with India given the past deals and history would the Brits not have been in a better position to negotiate ?

Its part of forum history long live Serbia.

Yes that makes it an exact copy like J 15 is of Su 33 :rolleyes:

Tomcat ? How is the Su 27 an exact copy of that ? It don’t even look similar 🙂