Thanks a lot for the link. Downloaded all episodes 1-7 the rest are not available.

IAF has lost 999 planes in crashes since 1970

Thats 1000 counting the Jag

Don’t criticise what you can’t understand….

The report said hillary offered it at an affordable price. If they really want to (for nor eason) warm ties with India with cheap F 35s we should say yes :)>

You did not pay attention to my posts. What matters is the decision of the US government and the U.S Congress. So the point of F 22 is not really relevant.

As for Turkey or Italian court orders ? really do you think they have a chance ? The US pressure will be so much on them they won’t even go to court.

Lets look at a non military thing to show you what I meant. India has been best buddies with Russia for ages but they could not help us get the NSG waiver. But once India got the 123 deal witht he U.S they pressured everyone else @ NSG and we got the waiver. So what matters is the decision of the US government and the US Congress the rest of the west just fall in line when there is serious pressure from Washington. Hard to swallow for proud Europeans but invariably the truth. Even Russia left India at the altar when it came to cryogenic engines because of U.S pressure. Just the way the uni polar world works.

IMho, two points to consider:

I don’t think the US position will be too contrary to tech transfer, not anymore. Yes, it will still be guarded but that is to be expected. So long as it does not impinge upon IAF operations, India will be OK. I think the US very well knows by now that they can’t expect to have a typical boss-poodle type relationship with India, they also know what the MRCA RFI/P requires in this dept. and hence would not be altogether restrictive in sharing certain technology.

Second, some of these issues could be worked around by using 3rd party products – Israeli for example. So, while access to Apg 81 might not be available, perhaps full access to EL-2052 could be arranged.

USS.

1. I like the F 35 but at this late stage it would make us look really bad IMO. But then again our strategic needs should take more presedence. The Europeans can be compensated in other ways, the submarine tender to Germany and some of those nice modular surface ships from the UK.

2. I don’t think we will be getting any tech transfer with the F 35 other than basic stuff, we will be lucky to get some.

3. Americans are not even letting Israel modify the F 35 and put in their stuff I doubt they will allow EL-2052 on perspective Indian F-35s. And why would you want that anyway? one of F 35s key strengths is its integrated sensor suite.

The Mirages are not going to get an Engine upgrade and are going to be in service till 2030 atleast, wlll it be the Mig 21 off the future for IAF ? I meant accident rates.

Ok this is crazy Hillary or just DDM

Hillary Clinton’s Hits And Misses In India – Analysis

Clinton is understood to have made a strong pitch for more US military sales to India, especially in the wake of American companies recently losing out in the race for a $ 10.4 billion order by the Indian Air Force for 126 fighter aircraft. She expressed her country’s willingness to sell state-of-the-art F 35 warplanes to India at “unbelievable” prices. The Americans are understood to have asked the Indian government to open its purse strings for the Lockheed built fifth generation super stealth F-35 Lightning the basic model of which is being made available to India for $ 65 million apiece. The Indian defence establishment would naturally find the offer too good to be true as much inferior fourth generation French Rafale is priced at $ 85 million and Eurofighter Typhoon (also a fourth generation aircraft) at $ 125 million apiece. The American offer signals American desperation for capturing a big pie of the highly lucrative Indian defence market, especially after two top American fighter aircraft manufacturers – Lockheed (F-16) and Boeing (F-18) – got eliminated in the recent Indian MMRCA deal worth $ 10.4 billion. More clarity would have to emerge on the proposed F 35 Lightning sales to India.