There is a chance of more orders if the Tejas MK2 turns out to be what it promises to be. I will not bet on it.
A statement issued today by ADA today said that the IAF had projected a need for 83 Tejas Mk-II aircraft (which would give the IAF a fleet of 123 aircraft in total — far less than projected).
http://livefist.blogspot.com/2011/01/iaf-grudgingly-accepts-tejas-ioc-wants.html
I am sorry I meant MRCA competitor. The MRCA winner is almost certain to have more orders than the 126 because the Tejas MK2 is limited to just 83 orders.
40+83 = 123 < 126 MRCA initial MRCA anyway but that was not my point.
I hope the MKI upgrade will involve new HMDS may be ones built for the PAK FA>
I was talking about the MK2 apparently. The MK1 is not in the same league as any MRCA competitor.
Are they actually comparing the Chinook with the Mi-26T2 on offer ?
I picked up the Mi-26T2 information booklet from AeroIndia will post it as soon as I get an opportunity to scan it.
I spoke with the people out there on Mi-26T2 and they mentioned that all trials of Mi-26T2 is over including high altitude Himalaya trials and that it has performed well in these trials.
I think so. It was called the Mi-46 up till recentley when everyone corrected to Mi-26T2.
May be it will be a split order Mi 26 for Heavy Lift and Chinook for Heavy Utility/CSAR.
That is from 2009.
As for heavy lift helos it depends on what IAF will use them for. If its for transporting heavy loads during peace time then the Mi 46/26 fits the bill more. But if its during actual combat operations the above mentioned qualities of the Chinook will come in handy.
There is a link in that page to Prasun Senguptas now defunct blog, in that he says
Incidentally, the heavylift helicopter requirement has been broken down into two components, under which any bidder can offer to supply six heavylift helicopters to replace the existing six Mi-26Ts, plus another 16 heavy utility helicopters (for high-altitude aerial logistics) and another four of the same model that will be configured for high-altitude combat search-and-rescue.
In that case the Chinook makes more sense.
Sounds like capacities that could be valuable in the CSAR tender…
IMHO, the heavy-lift tender is Mil´s.
You may want to see this before ruling Chinook out.
Details on the MiG-29UPG:
http://igorrgroup.blogspot.com/
Looks very comprehensive. Can’t wait to see the cockpit.
From that link
Sh-3UM-1 Helmet Mounted Integrated Targeting system
So no Top-Owl, Is it comparable ? Or just a cueing system ?
On googling I found the system to be really old, so less capable a bit of a downer.
Tarmak007 Special: No. 45 Flying Daggers will be Tejas Squadron
The Indian Air Force (IAF) has begun the preparations for formation of the first squadron of Tejas in Bangalore. The No 45 Squadron will be known as Flying Daggers (same as the erstwhile MiG-21/MiG-21 Bis Sqn). Air Cmdr B.R. Krishna, Chief Test Pilot, Aircraft Systems Testing Establishment (ASTE), Bangalore, who spoke to a select-group of journos at Aero India Media Centre, confirmed that the ASTE has identified 2 pilots to fly the Tejas as part of the IAF’s user-evaluation. The squadron will be first raised in Bangalore, before moving to Sulur in Coimbatore.
Russia or countries with extensive experience on stealth, may be much better partners than SAAB. US companies won’t be allowed to share critical best practises by the US Govt. – stealth is a very closely guarded secret. So in all probability, Russia could be a better support.
There is only one country with extensive experience on stealth and that is the U.S. Russia is just taking baby steps along the stealthy path.
In terms of absolute lifting capability the Mi 26 has no rivals. But the Chinook has a shorter landing distance, higher service ceiling, can insert extract troops from difficult terrain such as mountain tops and rocks, also because of the lack of rear rotor vehicles can be backed up closer to the ramp.
Sancho
I heared that argument often enough, but that’s just the assumtion of Gripen, or F16 supporters, there is not a single official statement, or evidence, that would hint on that. On the contrary, the fact that IAF wants to induct more Su 30s, want to add a 2nd twin engine stealth fighter and did not took the Mirage from the start speakes even against that theory. Flankers are way more costly to operate than MMRCAs, if it would be to costly IAF could simply add more single engine MMRCAs, instead increase the number of Flankers, that will be even licence produced alongside the MMRCA production!
Maintaining stealth is costly enough, but India even wants to go for 2 different twin engine fighters (personaly a silly decision, but that’s another topic), while again it would be more cost-effective to increase FGFA numbers and add more single engine MMRCAs. See I do think about the cost point as well, but if it’s not a problem for IAF as it seems, why should we bother about it?
1. There are a few statements from IAF officals on what they like a cheap relaible light fighter and these people actually were willing to put their name in, in the case of the Typhoon on Rafale its always “un named IAF/MoD” offical – see the difference, I do.
2. The reason why IAF adding more Su 30s is two fold. Firstly buying more Su 30s means no need for protracted contract negotiations and thereby ensures fast induction. The second reason ‘may’ be that IAF envisages the MRCA to be single engined and hence ordered more MKIs to complement them.
3. The reason why the AMCA is twin engined is due to the lack of engine options, if we had something in the F 135-136 class or even slightly lower, they may have gone for a single engined solution.