quadbikeI’ll do it for you.
How is that passing off my opinion as IAFs ? :rolleyes:
so 40 aircraft is a token order. Guess how many Mirage-2000s the IAF operated to date ? And what about MiG-29s ? And the IAF only ordered 40 Su-30MKIs initially from Russia. So all these are “token” orders ?
It is compared to what it set out to do ie. replace the IAFs MIG 21 fleet.
quadbikeWrong, wrong, and wrong, Quad. Think from the IAFs viewpoint. Do you want to invest on AFB AND additional grounds, just because the AFB would be targeted? Or would you rather ensure the AFB that would bear the brunt of the attack can ward off such attacks and your assets are distributed
Gosh, listening to you, one would think the IAF had never heard of concepts such as SAMs, grid defences, dispersed basing etc.
The Gripens so called highway basing etc, in India is a bit irrelevant, as India does not train for operating from highways – and no, there is no such thing as “improvised air strip” for sustained combat ops, the risk of FOD, the problems with securing the strip are just too many! Google MAFI & see what the IAF plans!
If you read that article I think it was called “dogfight for Indian MRCA” which was posted a few pages back, the author clearly explains the Chinese doctrine of using Cruise and SRBMs and even tactical nukes to target Airbases and IAF assets and the air strikes come much after. In which case something like Gripen may be more survivable after the initial strikes.
I am not doubting your knowledge on IAF related matters but he seemed a respected soruce on Chinese doctrine.
India is under investing in defence as a proportion of its GDP versus security threats, and yet, is able to sustain a large capex, increasing constantly which has funds earmarked for different requirements. In other words, the operational costs stuff is a bogie spread by those competitors who have little to offer in terms of combat capability versus their peers!! The IAF is actually pitching for more squadrons, not trying to skimp on money elsewhere because a two front war requires every bit of effort. In war, theres no price for second place, no matter how inexpensive your aircraft are.
In simulations the Gripen NGs combat capability vs the Su 35 (may be older ones not the new ones) is rather good. Infact of all the competitors in A2A I can only think of the Typhoon having a distinct advantage over the Gripen NG, with NG getting passive sensors coupled with excellent data link and having a bigger Radar than the Rafale it will probably equal it in A2A.
quadbikeeach and every time you have tried to pass off your opinion (whether gleaned from flightglobal or the chronicles of madangopal is not my concern) as fact. on this issue only the IAF or MOD decides what is ‘fact.’ everything else is just speculation. that includes internet forums and also defence mags.
I asked you to point out a single post where I have done that. May be you are incapable of comprehending what I am saying. My lack of language skills perhaps or yours.
quadbikeRolls-Royce out of Jaguar re-engining?
BANGALORE: DefenseNews.com, the website of the Defense News Media Group, reports that Rolls-Royce has pulled out of the contest to re-engine the Indian Air Force’s Jaguar strike aircraft.
Quoting industry sources at the Aero India show, the publication said the British engine maker had decided not to respond after seeing the terms of a recently released request for proposals from the IAF.
quadbikeAero India 2011: Is India flying back into Russia’s arms?
But the Russian delegations visiting Aero India 2011 in Bangalore have confirmed that though their contender for the MMRCA deal, MiG-35, was the only one from the six contenders to have pulled out from the air show, the MMRCA selection committee members as well as defence experts were witness to a series of demonstrations by MiG-35 which also carried out extreme manoeuvres in Indian as well as Russian conditions. Sources said the aerial manoeuvres demonstrated also involved “some which would not have been allowed to be carried out at any of the air shows” and that the Indian side were “thoroughly impressed”.
quadbike“acknowledged” by a host of journalists ? Aviation week and flight global even ? shiver me timbers ! it can’t get more official than that can it ?
seriously, how old are you ?who the heck are they to “acknowledge” anything on behalf of IAF ?
which of them is the air marshal in charge of IAF’s procurement ?
Personal insults and stupid emoticons aside my point still stands. In the opinion of some of world’s leading defensive publicaitons the MRCA order will be much more than the inital 126. No it is not official IAF line, show me one instance where I said it is so.
All I said was I would believe these publications than some random forumers in here or BR.
yada yada yada, everything depends on something my young genius, nothing is absolutely certain. and akash SAM has nothing to do with LCA orders.
only 40 Mk1 was ordered because IAF agreed that by the time production of that number is completed HAL could start production of LCA Mk2.I have no idea why you think the rather strange notion of LCA being or not being in IAF’s mind while taking a decision on MRCA has anything to do with this discussion.
The LCA did not meet all the IAF requirements in its current form. Even for the IOC IAF made certain concessions (According to ACM Naik). The truth is that if the MK1 was good enough there would be no need for an MK2.
Going by the track record of the programme the IAF may not be inclined to count on ADA to deliver the MK2 on time and with the promised capabilities.
ah ! the “you are a bad man because I say so” attack. my 5 year old nephew does it when I ask him to stop being naughty.
Personally you may have some problems with comprehension. Please point out where in my posts I have tried to pass off my opinion as the IAF’s or MoD’s.
well, hold the press ! that is EXACTLY what I claim it is, my opinion, based on my years of observing IAF procedure and interacting with military officers.
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Well my friend time will show who is right and who is wrong in their assumptions. Lets wait and see. I would appreciate if you don’t resort to personal insults.
quadbikeIndian MMRCA tender RFP favours single engine aircraft: Lockheed Martin
Lockheed Martin, which is fielding its single engine F-16 in the Indian MMRCA competition,is of the view that the RFP for the tender actually favours single engine fighters due to its emphasis on life cycle costs.
quadbikebetter save that before it gets pulled down under Terms of Use. Ah just teasing low res covers….
quadbikeVery cheap shot @ Roy . If you want to I can show you my passport and drivers license via P.M
quadbikeI read it in one of the Rafale threads in this very forum either Rafale News thread or Rafale for Brazil thread.
quadbikeFact : IAF’s commitment to LCA currently stands at exactly 123 (40 Mk1 + 83 Mk2) not counting the 8 LSP which too will join IAF.
As I clarified I was thinking/talking about the MK2 alone.
Fact : There is no official statement even remotely resembling that, a fact you acknowledged. Neither is there any confirmation that IAF would exercise its options for MRCA beyond the 126 number, which also you acknowledged as “None of us know IAF’s offical view on the matter”
it’s quite another matter that a subsequent order for LCA MK2+ is not just likely, but very likely and this is apparent to anyone who has even a little understanding of how IAF works. but let’s ignore that for the moment.
Its been widely acknowledged by a host of defense journalists from many publications (quite reputed ones like Aviation week and flight global even) that the MRCA deal is more than likely to go beyond the intial 126. Which is better than the gusses made by us arm chair generals.
It will depend on how the MK2 comes off. The Akash for example done well so subsequent orders were placed, the MK1 did not turn out that well so only a token number was ordered. I doubt the IAF will have the LCA in mind when they are making the MRCA decisions.
do not try to pass off your personal opinion as official view of IAF/MOD/DRDO/HAL etc.
You are the one stating opinions as facts which will not make them so. 83 MK2 is what is confirmed that is fact.
You think they MAY order more that is opinion.
quadbikeThe Emiratis were also complaining about RBE2 AAs detection range being shorter than the APG 80 onboard Block 60s.
quadbikeremember the order for engines was 107 and I don’t think there will 24 prototypes of the MK2, or N-LCA versions with that engine
Reserves may be ? And its better to have some extra anyway in case of future orders there won’t be a need to go through the protracted negotiations again with U.S.
We have the AL 31 build by HAL, we could get the S117 now flying in T50, we will have the AL 41, build by HAL for FGFA. There is no problem for us to get a powerful engine for a single engine fighter, but again the pride of “indigenous” developments is the main aim behind AMCA, not necessity! Same reason why IN now show interest as well, while already having 2 and considering a 3rd type of carrier fighter, besides a naval Pak Fa / FGFA and AMCA.
Apparently we need an indigenous engine to power the AMCA and I think the IAF is clear about that as well and we don’t have the capability produce an engine with decent thrust to power a single engined meidum fighter.
quadbikeWhat we know is that ADA has solid commitment for 83 LCA MK2 this is fact. Unless and untill there is offical confirmation that they are going to order more what I said stands.
quadbikeNone of us know IAF’s offical view on the matter. We can only guess possible force structures in future and my guess is as good as yours.
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