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  • in reply to: Russian Aviation thread, part V #2308856
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    in reply to: PAK FA episodeⅩⅧ #2308862
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    I am 99% sure the Il-476’s wing is not entirely composite (project would take another 5 years if that was the case), and what about stress levels on the wing of a freighter compared to teh PAK-FA?

    Don’t get me wrong, if it works practically and is better, I don’t care if India develops the whole wing by itself, slap it on the aircraft anyways.

    in reply to: PAK FA episodeⅩⅧ #2308868
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    Composite materials can be pretty rugged, as seen from various recent Boeing/Airbus programmes which used composite fuselage structures and the like. I also remember reading something about the Korean KAI T-50 having a ‘frameless’ composite construction.

    Well I am a complete amateur on the subject of composites, so I can’t really comment past what I already said. It’s just a whole new composite wing….idk sounds ambitious to put lightly.

    in reply to: PAK FA episodeⅩⅧ #2308877
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    What India can certainly bring to the table is increasing the use of composite materials in the T-50 and its derivative with a view to improve stealth and lower aircraft weight.

    Yes, but that is assuming composites would even have the desired stealth advantage. I think there is a reason Sukhoi went for more “conventional materials” and RAM cover approach. Weight loss might be real, but how about problems with integrity, strength, in-field maintenance and production cost? I am not 100% sold on the “more composites-the better” idea.

    Is there any information on trained personnel assistance, like I mentioned before? Like qualified Indian engineers being sent to assist their Russian counterparts, or vice versa?

    in reply to: PAK FA episodeⅩⅧ #2308918
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    Indian EW suites are already ahead. I am yet to see anything like the system on the MiG-29 UPG on the Russian side yet.

    I have serious trouble believing this claim. Su-34 has a very advanced EW system, and the subject is highly classified as is.

    Also, India tends to put in whatever it gets from the best of French etc suppliers in. In terms of RLG-INS, the latest Indian RLG-INS is equivalent to the Sagem Sigma90 suite on the Su-30 MKI but is being focused on missiles. The Russian suites were simply not found competitive enough even in the current upgrades.

    Right, but that was the case of the Su-30MKI, and the true lack of many equivalent Russian subsystems during the 90s and 2000s. The situation is quiet different today.

    I see the PAKFA as a good chance for Russia to catch up with modern standards across the entire board by developing all new systems, everything from airframe components, materials to subsystems.

    I agree, that is why I am genuine interested where Indian contribution makes sense in terms of achieving the best performance – I have yet to see firm specifics. Of course, they may opt for Indian systems on FGFA simply because of desire for domestic content, and there is nothing wrong with that.

    The Flankers basically re-used a lot of systems and components from the original aircrafts, but the T-50 appears to be a clean sheet approach. But there will be areas where India will probably pick and choose systems locally and from abroad which may be a bit ahead of their Russian peers or more customized to local conditions.

    I agree 100% in the case of Su-30MKI, but I have my reserved skepticism in the case of the PAK-FA. Now I am not saying that every piece of Russian equipment as relevant to combat aircraft is superior to anything in the world (that would be absurd) but in terms of equipment created specifically for the PAK-FA, I have trouble finding specific instances where Indian equivalents will be substituted because of increased performance. OF course there is the further issue of integration. I think the chance of 3rd party equipment finding its way to be slightly higher, but then again, I think both India and Russia want to stick to domestic kit in the PAK-FA/FGFA. They can afford to and have the capability to do so, unlike in say the Su-30MKI scenario. Further, there is the question of how much foreign integration Russia will allow India to do on the aircraft. I expect Indian personell would have to complete the actual process without active participation by the 3rd party responsible for the content, and that might not help with cost and time. Maybe French components, that both Russia and India have experience in using and license producing…but I think PAK-FA is more sensitive program than say T-90A tank.

    Teer thanks for the response! At the end of the day, we will see this decade how the project turns out. Hopefully for the best.

    in reply to: PAK FA episodeⅩⅧ #2308965
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    Is it ahead of Russia when it applies to Aviation-related software though? Enough to make any viable difference? Some specifics would be nice, don’t get me wrong, if India can make a viable contribution to the development, all the better for both nations.

    in reply to: Russian Aviation thread, part V #2308968
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    http://tvzvezda.ru/news/forces/content/201109231035-sghg.htm

    What is this, MiG-29 using Kh-31?? Supposedly at Center 2011, though I am not sure about that…

    Ok, Russian forums have concluded it is old footage of MiG-29K using Kh-31…way to go ZvezdaTV.

    in reply to: Russian Aviation thread, part V #2308977
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    http://www.aex.ru/photo/irkut/P7183909.jpg
    http://www.aex.ru/photo/irkut/P7183906.jpg

    Yak-130 destined for Libya that will likely end up in the RuAF…or an Algerian.

    An interesting photo…cockpit of the Ka-50Sh prototype:
    http://img843.imageshack.us/img843/1125/xb5256edc.jpg

    in reply to: Russian Aviation thread, part V #2309002
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    http://antoniou.users.photofile.ru/photo/antoniou/115935144/xlarge/145001896.jpg?

    http://antoniou.users.photofile.ru/photo/antoniou/115935144/xlarge/145001900.jpg?

    Su-27 with rockets ewwwww.

    Sure looks pretty though.

    http://antoniou.users.photofile.ru/photo/antoniou/115935144/xlarge/145001901.jpg?

    http://antoniou.users.photofile.ru/photo/antoniou/115935144/xlarge/145001909.jpg?

    http://antoniou.users.photofile.ru/photo/antoniou/115935144/xlarge/145001914.jpg

    in reply to: Russian Aviation thread, part V #2309004
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    All of this is from Center-2011 btw.

    http://antoniou.users.photofile.ru/photo/antoniou/115935144/xlarge/145001808.jpg?

    http://antoniou.users.photofile.ru/photo/antoniou/115935144/xlarge/145001814.jpg?

    http://antoniou.users.photofile.ru/photo/antoniou/115935144/xlarge/145001825.jpg?

    http://antoniou.users.photofile.ru/photo/antoniou/115935144/xlarge/145001865.jpg?

    http://antoniou.users.photofile.ru/photo/antoniou/115935144/xlarge/145001877.jpg?

    in reply to: Russian Aviation thread, part V #2309006
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    AMCA is so far off from being anything I don’t think it is really worth much discussion for any foreign purchase. Russia isn’t goign to buy a foreign aircraft anyways, and I think India wants to try and go at it mostly alone this time (?).

    Now for some real beasts:

    http://antoniou.users.photofile.ru/photo/antoniou/115935144/xlarge/145001889.jpg?

    http://antoniou.users.photofile.ru/photo/antoniou/115935144/xlarge/145001892.jpg?

    http://antoniou.users.photofile.ru/photo/antoniou/115935144/xlarge/145032236.jpg

    http://aviaforum.ru/attachment.php?attachmentid=268810&stc=1&thumb=1&d=1316882120

    in reply to: Russian Navy Thread #2033245
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    “11th separate missile-artillery bigade, Black Fleet, October 2010. “Bastion-P” coastal missile system fires.”

    http://vkontakte.ru/video_ext.php?oid=-8557593&id=156925833&hash=6a86c391866f9da3&hd=1

    Go to 1;30 for launch.

    in reply to: PAK FA episodeⅩⅧ #2309019
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    And they should be paid a good money for it (development and for each one)! Good for both sides, India will have an latest technology engine on their FGFAs and Russia will have the latest engine technologies which will be adopted at the future PAK-FA upgrades and will be a basis (together with the Izd.”117″) for the future engine development works…

    And as far as I understand the design of the FGFA is frozen and Indian side will gonna work on the composite materials, upgraded avionics and will take part in the engine production! Especially together with the advanced indian software this aircraft can be a state of the art 21st century game changer…

    What upgraded avionics? What basis is there for the FGFA having better avionics than PAK-FA?

    Also what Indian software? I am sorry for being skeptical, but frankly I don’t see any basis for the FGFA being any more advanced than PAK-FA. There is still very little if anything that the Indian aviation industry can provide that the Russian cannot, usually faster and better. For example what will India actually contribute to the second tier engine? Maybe they can send engineers to work in Russia, the more personnel the better.

    in reply to: Hot Dog Indian AF News and Discussion Part 17 #2309023
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    If you replace the internal generators, you can squeeze out more power even from existing engines. Lets see whether engine change occurs. Currently, the first HAL built (as versus assembled) AL-31FP has cleared a critical long test at Koraput.

    That’s pretty big news! To what extent are the engine components built in India?

    in reply to: Russian Space & Missile[ News/Discussion] Part- 4 #1796571
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    yessir.

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