Russians on the other hand profess to be our best buddies and stabs us behind our back when it comes to spares.
Don’t sensationalize this or anything. :rolleyes:
Livefist crying about something else Russian, whats new.
Well, the RuAF lost 6 or 7 aircraft in the 5 day war with Georgia, out the 500 sorties or so, for the very small amount of damage caused. The coalition over Libya have yet to lose an aircraft. So, one would have to expect a very wide disparity in the quality Libya and Georgia’s AD system to explain it. Otherwise…
You are aware that the Georgians only accounted for like 2 aircraft right?
EDIT: oops, already addressed.
hm lets see, Georgia’s small handful of Buks and no air force, versus Libya with much larger manpower, an actual air force, 8 battallions of S-200s, more bases, etc. ok. But Georgia does have the advantage of a mountainous terrain.
That’s irrelevant though. Georgia’s AD was small, but more modern and functional. Libya’s defense was pulverized by US missiles before most strikes commenced – hence I don’t think the Rafale had nearly as dangerous of a combat environment as the Su-34 did.
http://topwar.ru/5005-nochnoy-ohotnik-i-alligator-idut-v-voyska.html
Hmm, wow.
“Сейчас выпускается 16 вертолетов в год, а в планах выпуск будет доведен до 20–25 машин.”
Currently 16 Mi-28N are made per year, planned to increase to 20-25. How many do they plan to have in total, these are much better numbers that I expected. Between Ka-52, Mi-28 and Mi-35M, the attack helicopter future is excellent. Hope to see new A2G munitions on these birds.
Some of their purchases also were simply not available in the West- Bastion for example.
Take on a Su-35 with ease huh?
I see you haven’t changed your absurd white-and-black claims.
I think Su-34 order will be bigger. Current order is 32 by 2013. This is assuming production of 6 this year, 8 in 2012, and 10 in 2013. Production capability will be able to run at at least 12 airframes per year at that point, assuming Gov places orders (they claimed they want to raise production to 20 yearly). If we use that as a minimum figure, there is potential for at least another 84 airframes, in addition to the previous 32. Given Su-24 aging, I think orders will continue, and around ~120 Su-34 are an achievable minimum through 2020.
Given the georgraphy involved, the actual operational systems, I would say Georgia. The US cruise missiles took care of most radar sites anyways, its not like the strike aircraft had to contend with any functional systems.
Add to what? Il-76TD(MD)-90A compared in presentation to Il-76TD, and ‘Izdeliye 476’ are the same thing:)
I thought 476 has a new wing? :confused:
Why would it take so long to finish the first one if its the same?
Whats wrong with Su-27 airframe? Su-27/35 will continue to be backbone of fighter force past 2020.

Il-76 and Il-76TD payload-range comparison. Pretty impressive improvement, Il-476 should add to that.

Cargo capacity up by 20%, flight range with a payload of 45-50 tons greater by 27%, maximum thrust up bu 33%, fuel consumption during cruising down by 18%.
Not really carrying it, but cool pic of Iranian Su-24:
http://img146.imageshack.us/img146/9327/1912546.jpg
http://i051.radikal.ru/1105/76/34cb2dfd90a1.jpg
Not much of a pic, but MDFs on RuAF Su-24M/M2.
@ Hotdog:
One performed anti-radar/missile site strikes with Kh-31 I believe. IIRC it suppressed a Buk site.
The other covered a flight of Su-24s on strike missions.
Apparently both were rather successful.

For combat launches in Georgia. Let’s use French logic and never shut up about how “battle proven” it is now :p.
Nope, I always maintained that MiG-35 did not have huge chances in RuAF, and that I would rather see Su-35C. The discussion was about potential exports for MiG-35, and something about MiG-29K/35 similarity.
Unless Su-35 production is bottle necked, might as well stay with stay with it.