There were reports in the not too distant past of a Hawker Nisr (Pegasus radial engined export version of the Audax) that was on display in Iraq at the Al Abied racing circuit. This was mentioned in Bob Ogden’s museums volume on Asia. In the text he reported that New Zealand member of the UN had visited the Military Museum (based at Muthenna Airfield but with some items at the race track) and reported the Nisr as at the circuit. One of 34 Nisrs delivered to Iraq in 1936.
Was the report accurate? If true does the airframe still survive? If so where is it now?
You may be interested to know that the Piston Provost in Albert’s photos still survives. It did indeed go initially to Torbay Museum but when that closed it was sold an ended up dismantled at Dunkeswell. My good friend Paul Singleton noted it deteriorating there and determined to rescue it. He purchased it and being a long time member of the Wellesbourne Aviation Group he and colleagues from the museum moved it up to the Midlands. Paul eventually presented it to the group’s museum at Wellesbourne and after a lengthy and extensive rebuild it is now fully assembled and on display. It is a credit to all the work which a small group of dedicated members put in and is now conserved well, displaying original serial, unit badge etc and with a dedicated cockpit canopy cover purchased and fitted. It’s well worth a visit to see this regenerated Provost. I love the type and well remember sitting in G-ASMC years ago whilst it was cartridge started – real aircraft have props (but I might be biased)!!
Thanks for sharing Paul F. – great selection and well photographed.
I was obviously getting confused with Kbely with my Cloud question and that isn’t pictured in the Kbely link someone kindly provided so I guess it may still be in store there.
It’s been flying every other day. There were rumours that it would be flying night sorties but certainly Tuesday this week it was out of the hangar by 09.30 and I saw it taxy out and take off about 11.45. There were reports of it flying Thursday daytime. Reports also suggest it will leave about mid-day Saturday. UKAR provided background on the purpose of its visit but I couldn’t comment on the veracity of the content- it, however, had nothing to do with the hurricane!
Is the SARO Cloud fuselage back on display and in a poisition where it can be photographed? I seem to recall that a few years back the museum made a set of replica wings for it but that they were too heavy and had to be removed and that the fuselage then went back into deep store.
I well recall the B2 fuselage from G-ACBH which laguished in the Essex yard. At the time I obtained permission to access it and in order to photograph it for an early edition of Wrecks & Relics I had to climb an adjacent tree to get a good angle on it and also use a flash unit to illuminate it. The things one has to do to record history – none of these digital gizmos in those days – it was b&w film , home processing and printing etc. So far as the B.2 cockpit section goes, I also recall that from when it was on show at East Kirkby. All happy days! Is there a suggestion that the latest post indicates a “new” find i.e. that the item is genuine and is not connected with either of the ones we know about? I’ve never personally seen mention before of any “spare” fuselage /components existing as held in support of G-AEBJ but if someone knows different then do please share?
The successful flying of the Vimy into Woburn Abbey park was a fine achievement, memorable and never to be repeated!
Thank you all for your help.
Damien – so far as the better half goes how right you are – been there got the tee shirt – still happily married after 28 years and that’s after taking her onto an aircraft carrier in the Med during our honeymoon – honesty is the best policy – what a gal!
Mark
I will be sad to see this Lincoln leave the UK ,as I well recall it during its days at Cranfield; but it’s had a rough time since retirement and its great to see a group prepared to restore it. I wish you every success. This machine had a Lancaster cockpit grafted on during the latter part of its career and this made it attractive as a source for Lancaster components for other restorations rather than in its own right. Is there any likelihood that the Australian Lincoln front-end in Austrialia could one day be mated to it, making a complete Lincoln – ir is it intended to graft a Lancaster front end back on it?
The Avia does now carry an overall dark green scheme plus Croatian markings. It was not hidden away on Sunday – it was out of the hangar and taxied – very photogenic. The owner confirmed to us that it is one of only two currently airworthy Worldwide the other in Italy no longer has the original engine type installed. I understood it had not been based a Leicester for some time.
Seems like we’re coverning the same ground in two threads! See my input to the attached.http://forum.keypublishing.co.uk/showthread.php?t=46626&highlight=consul
Rich82
Thanks for the heads up on the list – but I accessed it from the IWM site (not TFC) and your link too shows that as the source. Which is the Seafire – is it the one from North Weald (yet to fly) or an even more exotic one from the US perhaps (which is already airworthy)? Is the 109 perhaps to hop over from Wattisham – I thought that was to test flight in the US …. or is it a European restoration or a Buchon from up North .. Can anyone in the know clarify?
When I visited there last week a volunteer advised me of this pending story and reckoned that the airframe is not actually owned by the Museum, but by the city authorities and was said to still be in store still in the “south” of the city. I can’t confirm that person’s opinion of its current ownership status – can anyone clarify the true situation?
I have a LOT of respect for the Canadian preservation movement and sympathise with those upset at the prospect of a significant airframe moving from their custody. If, however, an enthusiast with sufficient resources and commitment to rejuvinate this Mossie is allowed to contribute to its future survival and also (hopefully) the prospect of it being enjoyed eventually by a wider audience, then maybe its a sensible outcome.
I often have mixed feelings about restorations to airworthy status (if that is the intention). I fully appreciate that engineering and safety considerations are primary in the decisions about what portions of an airframe have sufficient integrity to be retained as part of the final restoration. This, however, can sometimes result in original material being stripped out or merely used as patterns, rendering the final outcome less historic than the static aircraft at the start of the process. Is that justified – well it’s not for me to say! I certainly miss seeing a Mossie in the air but ……..
……….. What I want to know is where the other two are as they have (or had) three. Having said that they did have four the first time they came to Kidlington and then only three after that. …….
I saw one of them parked up at Springbank airfield Calgary, Canada yesterday.
Superb shots. Whose was the paint-stripped C-47 (wasn’t present on Saturday)?