Hello
After her indoors gave her permission I got a flight on a classic flight Dakota to Flying Legends.I was just wondering how many Dakotas the classic flight as.The UK warbirds guide at was free with Mays Flypast past lists only KK116 G-AMPY.
A web search shows its history and says its Cofk expires on 4.7.08.I was just wondering if any body knows if other operators plane or planes would be used.Yours
11group
Three: Two used for passenger flights namely:
G-AMPY (operated in RAF colours,hence its inclusion in Flypast’s “warbirds” supplement)
G-AMRA operated in civilian scheme
One involved with a radar research contract:
G-ANAF in civil pinkish red (or redish pink 🙂 ) scheme not used for passenger work.
Here are some pictures of them I took during some of our recent flying days at Coventry:



Tim
Another whatever happened to question – in this case with regard to the pair of Skywriting Harvards D-FDOK and D-FGAL, which used to be a regular feature together in UK skies at the end of the 1950s and possibly into the early 1960s?
Who owned them and where did they operate from?
Also what products did they advertise and what events did they commemorate as I certainly seem to recall them drawing a heart and a hot cross bun in the sky with their smoke?
Wicked Willip :diablo:
Ahhhh memories – I recall them flying over Birmingham skywriting “The New Ford Anglia” across the heavens!
Tim
Hey there everyone!..
The Six (G-APSA) is due to appear and fly at our show (Air Show Ottawa – June 28-29) – yes, on THIS side of the pond.
I design and produce the poster, souvenir program and print advertising for the show and am hoping to make contact with anyone who had hi-res (suitable for large format off-set printing) photos available of the Big Bird. I’m really looking for something stunning that is suitable to cover the equivalent of 2 A4 pages.
I have already sent an email to the group via their website, and made secondary inquiries through UK-based friends regarding this subject.
I would greatly appreciate hearing from anyone who has either photographed the bird or has direct contact information for anyone who has.
Cheers,
James
James
Several of us who contribute to this forum are volunteers with the Air Atlantique Classic Flight ground support team. A few of my night photos of this epic machine appear on the image gallery of this DC-6’s website (see below). I expect however you want some action shots taken during its show routine but I’m sure one of us can help you even if its to put you in touch with relevant AACF personnel or the crew to help meet your need.
If you still require help then PM me your email details so I can forward to some of the individuals more directly involved with the aircraft if you wish.
See also: http://www.atlanticdhg.com/dc6/image.asp
Tim
LL – I don’t think Will works for Classic Flight anymore – although I believe he continues as a volunteer.
Roger Smith.
Sorry Roger but that’s no longer correct – Will is back with them.
[QUOTE=JDK;1240784]Re: Swastikas
I think it’s exactly about context – a museum building is a space where some of the normal requirements don’t apply, as it were, and it’s a place you are aware you are in, rather than, say, viewing a military aircraft on a (modern) airfield or in the air. That’s just surmise, of course.
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There are apparently circumstances when exceptions are allowed. The Washington Post contained an article back in Oct 06 which gave some explanation (though I don’t know their source) – they said amongst other things that:
“Since the end of the Third Reich, it has been illegal in Germany to display the swastika, give Hitler salutes or embrace other symbols of the Nazi era. The maximum penalty in most cases is three years in prison.
There are numerous exceptions, which grant special license to artists, educators and film makers. Past court opinions, including a Supreme Court ruling from the 1970s, carved out exemptions for public display of the swastika as long as the intent was to protest what it stood for.”
The BBMF aircraft are MoD property and carry their genuine RAF serials for those airframes (although PZ865 did have a stint in civilian ownership as G-AMAU before returning to military ownership). Even though the BBMF repaint their aircraft from time to time to carry different camouflage and squadron codes to represent famous examples of the breed, these airworthy airframes have always retained and been painted with their correct serials. (The only exception was when some were loaned for film use – such as the BoB film).
So far as UK civilian registered “warbirds” go owners have to apply for exemption if they are not going to be painted in their civilian registration and there are controls over the schemes that can be carried. Often warbird operators go to great lengths to identify that actual airframe’s true serial and opt to reflect that in their scheme. There are, however, circumstances where owners opt to display a serial other than that appropriate to the specific airframe but of another example of the type and there are instances (some Harvards are a case in point) where they have over time carried a variety of military serials / pseudo serials in civil use.
It depends on the country – in the US most surviving Mustangs have carried many different scheme (and pseudo serials) in civilian ownership.
From a group of 50+ original negatives I recently obtained. Kind regards, Malcolm.
Strewth that’s Blackburn B.2 G-ACBH in it’s early day’s at Dixon’s yard in Essex. I photographed it there for Wrecks & Relics later. The fuselage amazingly still exists I think it’s now at Redhill). My contribution to an earlier thread about this example was as follows:
Consul
13th October 2005, 22:59
I well recall the B2 fuselage from G-ACBH which laguished in the Essex yard. At the time I obtained permission to access it and in order to photograph it for an early edition of Wrecks & Relics I had to climb an adjacent tree to get a good angle on it and also use a flash unit to illuminate it. The things one has to do to record history – none of these digital gizmos in those days – it was b&w film , home processing and printing etc. So far as the B.2 cockpit section goes, I also recall that from when it was on show at East Kirkby. All happy days! Is there a suggestion that the latest post indicates a “new” find i.e. that the item is genuine and is not connected with either of the ones we know about? I’ve never personally seen mention before of any “spare” fuselage /components existing as held in support of G-AEBJ but if someone knows different then do please share?
Regards,
Tim
Adrian,
Are you saying I’m too nosey 😀
Seriously though, you’re right. The nose cone removed at Duxford which end up at Booker was the thimble style. I simply assumed that it had been one and the same extended nose but with the black pointed element deleted and faired over once the airpass equipment had been removed. The residual profile was very similar, but I stand corrected if it was a completely fresh unit.
Tim
Jim,
The slide I have shows it in similar scheme to the b&w picture already offered up in this thread and that was white upper fuselage, natural metal or silver rest of airframe and blue cheatline. I think the slide I have was about 1959. I don’t know if it this airframe ever carried a red cheatline in military or research service but I don’t recall any reports of it as such.
Tim
Does anyone have a photo of TS423 when she was with Ferranti at Turnhouse in 1957? She carried Airpass radar in the nose when I saw her there that year. There was a photo of her in Air Pictorial at the time if anyone has a copy?
Cheers,
Jim
Yes I have a slide of her when with Ferranti – but finding it is another matter – I’ll see what I can do when I get time. The extended nose was retained for some time and eventually removed when it was civilianised at Duxford (I have a b&w of the mod of the nose to more conventional status when in progress). The extended nose cone after removal ended up with the collection that at one time was at Booker (Wycombe Air Park) – don’t know if the component survives. Sorry I can’t easily share those pics presently.
Tim
….which isn’t a Sea Fury, it’s a Fury ISS.:rolleyes:
Currently no flying Sea Furies in the UK. But that will change shortly.;)
Thought you might like to see it nestled recently into its present “home” at Baginton.
Tim

Thats about right…. nothing comes out of the Doncaster (formerly Firbeck) collection once it goes in.
Where then did the NEAM up at Sunderland get their Dove G-ARHX from?:rolleyes:
Two of the UK registered examples do however survive as grounded relics i.e. G-BHXJ believe still at Camp Hill Activity Centre at Cathorpe in Yorkshire (Tel 01845 567788) and the other G-BEDB at Chirk (ex airstrip) near Oswetry – where John Pearce has several Rapides stored. I’m not sure of the current status of these Norecrin airframes – I seem to recall that the Chirk one at least may now have moved on.
Septic,
Yes, open to the public but no flying.
From memory circa October 1968, a Heinkel, the B-25, AR213, TE308, two or three Buchons in Luftwaffe livery, including the two seater.
The RAFwaffe was visible but not part of the static display.
Mark
Twas 26 Oct 68. There were more items – including a “Proctuka”.
Tim
Fort Paull (where the World’s sole surviving Beverley is situated) has a children’s playground / garden area that uses numerous spinners (or they sure appear to be) as part of an adventure playground!