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    Nashio966,

    Having posted the pics and been fully briefed by Paul Singleton the photographer – who asked me to post them here, I can assure you both pics are of the same pannier. There was only one in the yard at that time. As correctly deduced by other posters the pics are of either side of the same item.

    We knew for many years prior to Paul’s visit that there was a pannier in this yard. It even had a mention in an old edition of Wrecks & Relics (to which I have contributed material for most editions over more years than I care to remember).

    Regards
    Tim

    Consul
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    The Battlefield yard has been on the scrap spotters list or a very long time, and the pannier is well known throughout the preservation world.

    I last saw it maybe ten years ago, and it was in pretty poor condition. Even I would question its value as a rare spare.

    When looking at the sat photos, concentrate on the overgrown and wooded areas to the North and East of the hard surfaced area. That is where all the aircraft stuff is/was. A photo taken during the winter months might reveal more.

    Apart from the pannier, there used to be the nose of a Waco Hadrian, skeletal and rusty, of course, but I’ve half a memory that someone had it away. There were other minor parts scattered around. Didn’t someone (Tim Moores?) unearth some pre-war Hawker bits not that long ago?

    The yard’s owner used to keep something of great value in a shed. Was it a traction engine, or early fire engine?

    Interesting that you mention Hadrian components. When Paul visited the yard to see the Halton pannier he also noticed numerous examples of what appeared to be heavy duty tail skids. It was implied they may be off assault gliders and we tried to follow this up to identify what the parts were and if aeronautical what they were off. Paul had been permitted by the owner to “liberate” one example and we subsequently took it to London Colney to compare it with Horsa drawings. I also put a post on this forum about it and ironically I then (last June) mentioned the Halton pannier. No-one seemed to be interested in the pannier so its heartening to have all this input and feedback. The earlier post can be found here – including a picture of the “skid”.
    http://forum.keypublishing.co.uk/showthread.php?t=71454

    Consul
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    I’ll ask Paul (the photographer) what he remembers about its construction materials. In the meantime here’s another view of it.
    http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v243/Consul/Haltonpannier2red.jpg

    in reply to: Piston Provost #1319954
    Consul
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    Hi Chippie and all, there is a dismantled Provost at Sleap, it needs buying before its too late.

    Andy

    Before you start “marketing” this it would be sensible / courteous to consult the owner – it’s not an abandoned airframe.:rolleyes:

    in reply to: Another one that got away. #1321085
    Consul
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    You may find it’s NT449 which I think was an NF30 and was ex 6534M. I think it was still there on the dump when I visited to look over the Lysander hangared there on 8.4.63.

    Tim

    in reply to: 'The One that got Away' #1324181
    Consul
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    Yes the rarely photographed nose-wheeled conversion of the Attacker πŸ™‚

    in reply to: B-17 Merry Christmas from Chino, SoCal USA #1241994
    Consul
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    And a Happy Xmas to you guys too!

    http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v243/Consul/NAFFED.jpg

    in reply to: Coventry – a flaming DC-6 from Santa #1243791
    Consul
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    Fantastic shots there like the 2nd DC-6 shot 😎 Whats happing to the other DC-6 looks sad sitting there and its sister ship getting the TLC. Is that the RAF DC-3 behind that DC-6?

    Regards

    James

    No, the Dakota behind the the stored DC-6 is ex G-AMSV (see picture above which also has the Hunter nose in the view). The AACF Dakota painted in RAF scheme is G-AMPY. This was also present and here are some shots showing that re-enactors were having some fun involving that example.

    Tim

    http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v243/Consul/BN12.jpg
    http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v243/Consul/BN13.jpg

    in reply to: What is wrong with people? #1246412
    Consul
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    If this shot was from Vietnam then would anyone question this? I find it rather two faced that everybody kicks off when its a preserved aircraft but if its a WWII pic then they want to know every detail wether somebody died or not!
    I feel its up to the individual, if there wasnt a market for this material then it wouldnt sell.

    Phill

    http://www.outflankeduk.com – my website

    I think your last sentence sums up the reality; however your comment of “two faced” about this particular pic is not really fair IMHO. There are undoubtedly legitimate reasons why journalists and historians use pictures of conflicts and their results as sources. It is also natural that the loved ones, relatives and friends of anyone killed will be repulsed by trading of pictures in which those killed are involved or depicted.

    In this case the crash was not that long ago and the picture shows the SPAD upturned with Harry Doan probably still trapped inside (he reportedly didn’t die instantly). I wont go into the story of how that apparently happened. This was an accident and not the result of war so doesn’t have such “historic” significance. I only met him once but he seemed a really nice and helpful guy. The sensitivity around the death remains current for his relatives etc.

    I can’t imagine that the relatives of troops killed recently in Iraq would be comfortable if individuals started selling pics on the open market of damaged armoured vehicles with their dead loved ones still inside. As you rightly say it’s down to individuals, but that doesn’t stop those affected from wishing it didn’t happen and voicing that feeling.

    Tim

    in reply to: What is wrong with people? #1247448
    Consul
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    The pic on sale probably depicts the result of an accident that befell this β€œSPAD” (in preservation), when it overturned on hitting gravel at the end of a runway- fatally injuring the trapped pilot – very, very sad. The aircraft itself was however subsequently restored. It’s not clear whether this shot was immediately after that accident when the pilot was still on board, but it’s possible and if so there is a tasteless element to making profit out of such an illustration, but sadly this aspect has always been a feature of photo journalism etc.

    The pic on sale is NOT one of mine (I gladly was not present when that incident occurred), but I was fortunate enough to do an air-to-air shoot of what I believe was this very aircraft but prior to the accident date. I thought, to cheer you up, you might like to see the machine in happier times.

    Tim
    http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v243/Consul/Raider4.jpg
    http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v243/Consul/Raider2.jpg
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    in reply to: Sheila Scott Piper Aztec #1247528
    Consul
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    Possibly the wrong forum (please move if it is).
    I have been doing some research into Shiela Scotts solo flight over the north pole and need some pic of her Piper Aztec D, there seems to be little on the web unless I’m missing something.
    Any pics or links would be great

    Thanks
    PaulC

    Paul,

    I knew I had a slide of her Aztec and I’ve found it at last! I took it at Kidlington on 18 Sep 1971. Sorry it’s a little grainy but hope it helps as it should give a good idea of the colours.

    I did meet her and recall getting her autograph when she attended a Coventry Air Pageant in her earlier record breaker Comanche G-ATOY. She was a friend of aircraft photographer the late Arthur Gibson and again I remember Arthur flying Sheila (when she had become very ill and frail) in his Aztec at one of the early warbird shows in formation with some of the participants. She was a very steely lady!

    Tim
    http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v243/Consul/GAYTOmod.jpg

    in reply to: Need help with a DC-3 ID #1248492
    Consul
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    The CAA info linked in the prior post relates to current ownership; but around the time in question i.e. when the filming that was mentioned occurred, it was owned by Starflight Corporation of Miami. This was from May 87 when obtained from Top Flight. From May 88 ownership reportedly changed to Consolidated Aviation Enterprises of South Burlington (though she remained based in the UK. G-ANAF was restored to Air Atlantique later that year ( having served with that company previously in the 1970s). I have some shots of her in various owners markings over the years including Top Flight colours at Luton. If you want a full history of its life history, I recommend Air-Britain’s excellent work: “DC-1/DC-2/DC-3 The First Seventy Years”.

    It may also be worth mentioning that the Classic Flight history (linked elsewhere above) doesn’t mention that this Dak, when once “permanently withdrawn from use” actually spent some time as a static exhibit at Duxford in the early 70s and was taken out of preservation and brought back to life.

    Tim

    in reply to: Need help with a DC-3 ID #1248500
    Consul
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    Yes I can furnish some details of ownership when she sported the US scheme, but can I ask what your interest is in this Dak? I thought in the meantime you might like to see a shot I recently took of her in her latest colour scheme!
    Tim
    http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v243/Consul/GANAFnight.jpg

    in reply to: Need help with a DC-3 ID #1249719
    Consul
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    I think you will find it was this machine which still survives in the UK as G-ANAF. My shot was taken at Baginton. You will see that the US registration is presented with a gap between the N and the numerics where it would have had the NC style presentation to mimic pre war commercial serials. I think I took the shot in 1988 – I’ll check.
    Tim

    http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v243/Consul/N170GPC47mod1copy.jpg

    in reply to: Fieseler Storch #1258229
    Consul
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    Anybody know the current whereabouts of the ex-Southend example?

    It was reportedly ex D-EKMU went initially to Paul Raymond’s “Whitehall Theatre of War” (what a strange place I recall that was) then when that soon closed it was exported.

    According to Peter Cohausz’s superb work “Deutsche Flugzeuge bis 1945” this machine surfaced in Florida as N156FS being w/n 110064 and at one time “CB+VD”, D-EKMU, OE-ADR, Fv3812.

    However, according to the renowned website Preserved Axis Aircraft, the listing of surviving Fieslers shows a slightly different origin for w/n 110064 i.e.:

    N2405P, exN156FS and it comments that” Aircraft has probably been sold again and re-registered. Ex Propeller Service of Miami, ex CB+VD, Fv 3812, N464FB, D-EYWB.”

    I photographed the airframe at Southend and in Whitehall but having done no original research I can’t verify its provenance – you takes your pick:)

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