But I protest sir! A turbo prop IS a jet, and it was manufactured in WW2, although re engined later on. The question remains, is there an airworthy one about?

C6

So far as the EKWs go – there were a few kept airworthy for a while after withdrawal from Swiss service. The British registered example I think ceased flying about 2002 and I believe is stored at Hurn, there was a German one but I believe it got bent and there was a French registered example – not sure of it’s current status. The only other civilian one I’m aware of was in the US but, last time I saw that, it was decidedly non-airworthy and stored at Rockford. There may be others, at least one is presently stored dismantled and likely to be restored.

Nice try to argue that its the oldest airworthy jet because the airframe is vintage even if the power-plant is more recent:rolleyes: Though on that basis the WACO bi-plane which had a huge jet engine strapped to it and was used for an aerobatic routine in the US would have been older! Sadly that WACO was destroyed in a fatal crash within the last couple of years.

If you’re going to argue turbo-props and conversions are included then you open the flood gates because (for example) the Grumman Goose has been around since WWII and there are certainly turbo-conversions still airworthy! IMHO I wouldn’t personally argue they were the oldest jets flying, IMHO that would be cheating:)

Surely NOT a subject for levity. The use of the sarcastic emoticon about the aircraft involved and demeaning terms for skydivers is out of order – this is a serious accident. This forum usually shows respect and restraint in such circumstances and I’m most surprised at the tone – especially from a moderator – you should be ashamed.

There are those who might argue that the U.K. is not part of Europe but I hate to disillusion you as there are 24 Cessna 120s registered in the UK alone – so its not lonely over this side of the Atlantic :rolleyes:

Rather than speculate, why not ask the MAM officials directly and if they’re happy for their answer to be publicised then share the outcome with the forum. In my dealings with them over the years I’ve always found all the team extremely professional and helpful.:)

According the the recently published and massive two-volume publication “The Douglas DC-1/DC-2/DC-3 The First Seventy Years”, your aircraft did indeed serve with the 436th TCG.

The 436th. comprised the 79, 80,81 & 82 TCS activated on 1 April 43 and went from the US to 50th TCW, IX TCC, 9th AF on 4 Feb 44 and to Bottesford and Membury in the UK on 3 March 44. Transferred to 53rd TCW, IX TCC, 9th AF in Feb 44 and to PTCAD on 31 Aug 44. They inactivated 15 Nov 45.

The publication gives a history of your airframe:

“c/n 20835
43-16369 Baer 806 BU D 7 Aug 44 – ATC Dow 1379 BU 27 Aug 44 – 9 AF 1 Sep 44 – 436 TCG – ATC Hunter 302 BU 16 July 45 – ATS S Bernardino 4126 BU 20 July 45. …………..”It goes on to provide unit and location changes up to its release onto the civilian market and mentions its civilian career with the US Dept of Agriculture as N2805J and its shift into preservation.

I commend the book (but I would as an Air-Britain member) to give you the background you’re seeking and help explain all the abbreviations in my extract. Hope this helps.

I think you may find its the CASA C.352L that’s now at Cosford. It was delivered in to Biggin Hill by Don Bullock immediately prior to an Air Fair. I was there covering the event for a journal when it was ferried in escorted by a BBMF Spit for a circuit before landing. It was ferried without SpAF markings but still in overall silver and carrying serial T2B-272. I can’t access my files at present but it was around 1982 I think and no that one wasn’t ever DA/WoGB owned.

Regards
Tim

Sorry to drag this one back up. Has any body visited paull recentley.The web site is still having problems. I would like to know if the public can now tour the Beverley. Some thing I have not done since I was about ten when it was at the Army Transport Museum.

Certainly can. I made a visit last year and here are a couple of shots I took of her at the Fort. Just as a matter of comparison, many years back I was allowed to take some rare angles of the same machine when she was at the old Paull airfield prior to he moving to Beverley. That wing is a long way up – the things we do – not sure I’d do it now:)

Spot on Andy. Known as RFC Bramham Moor / RAF Tadcaster. There is a super booklet in the Airfield Focus series that provides an in depth history of the site.