Absolutely superb – just like we were back there again – sad loss.
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“The purpose of the Royal Air Force Museum is to collect, preserve, display and provide for scholarship, material relating to the history of the Royal Air Force, its predecessors and air forces associated therewith, and aviation generally where a link with the Royal Air Force is established, for the public benefit in perpetuity.”That’s a pretty definitive remit which largely excludes the BA Collection.
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The above is useful clarification …. see also my post of 26th – surely this also means that the Cygnet G-EBMB is out of place and could perhaps be put up for disposal at some time – if the only link with the RAF is that it was designed by the same designer who led the team which designed the Hurricane? The Cygnet was for a light-plane competition and never was intended for, nor did it operate with, the military. I appreciate however there is a difference in its staus in that (so far as I’m aware) the airframe was donated not loaned.
Interesting also, that in more recent years, when the RAFM loan aircraft OUT from their collection they have stipulated that they must be kept in good environmental conditions and under cover (e.g. Oxford when at Newark, Hunter and Meteor at Tangmere). Shame that BA didn’t take an even longer-term interest in the care and survival of the machines they put on an eventual RAFM site; but some of the intricacies of the title of individual airframes are only now getting a wider airing and explain some of the politics that maybe sealed their fate?
Sounds like you took some really hot pictures :rolleyes: Seriously though – hope no-one nor animals are hurt.
All of these aircraft were included in the RAF review held at Abingdon in 1968 (one of the most memorable events I’ve attendedover the years). I didn’t realise that so many aircraft were exhibited that same year on HGP – was that after or before the Aningdon event? V. interesting pics.
…………….The point here is simple. It is not within RAFM’s remit to preserve civil airliners, except those once operated by the RAF……………
Bruce
Interesting point. Although the ownership and maintenance responsibilities re the BA collection have been aired well enough here – the broader question of the RAFM’s “interest” in civilian aircraft and their general “remit” is relevant. Although BA not the RAFM has responsibility for these airliners – the RAFM has precedents of accepting and preserving civilian aircraft. The Hawker Cygnet G-EBMB is an example. In the early days shortly after Hendon museum was opened they used this airframe in a themed display of machines designed by Camm and they still have the aircraft.
I recall the RAFM mission was changed to embrace not just the history of the RAF. Indeed of more recent years the creation of the Milestones display, the display of the donated American Moth Corpn. DH.60G Moth G-AAMX, the intention to display Mowhawk G-AEKW are just examples of this broader policy. I know that the RAF operated some DH.60s (but not this variant) and that the Mowhawk was impressed during WW11 – but the Lindbergh connection (rather than its impressment into RAF colours for a period) is the driver for the latter as an attraction to the museum.
When it’s convenient for a theme or seen as an icon then the RAFM has in the past been prepared to adapt – particularly if such airframes were donated.
I do have several more pics if anyone is interested?
Sure am!
Where that?
james
It’s in the Midlands where several of we regulars on this forum hail from – we’re talking north of Watford! :rolleyes:
Is this one and the same as 41-19393 mentioned on their website?
So far I have only posted about one Avro picture. Here are a few more.
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2 Lincoln B2 RF398
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I think RF398 picture was taken at RAF Henlow looking at the background. It was stored there from 1963 (after its last flight) then appeared in the static at the Abingdon review in ’68 and finally ended up at Cosford. I have a slide of it when at Henlow.
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It is currently in the storage hangar having been replaced with an ME109 in the display hangar. I was always glad they chose to display it in its Spainish colours.
It resides right beside the Canadair Nortstar currently undergoing restoration by the Project Northstar group. Can hardly wait until we start breaking down the Merlin 622s.[/QUOTE]
The CAM Buchon was on display (loaned) at the Western Canada Aviation Museum in Winnipeg when I visited there a few years back. Did it go straight into store when returned to the WAM or go on show for a while?
I would look a little wider than the the High Wycombe area for these four.
Mark
Sounds a bit wide of the Mark! 😉 Sorry couldn’t resist it!
Consul,
Do you know if acquisition is a loan, donation or purchase?
Roger Smith.
Only had a quick chat with B. but I gained impression it had been donated but I’m not sure of exact terms so could be loan.
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The trouble with an old wooden airframe that has got this bad is..the wood will need replacing.So, wheres it all going?? ……………….
Hairy
Would then be as original as some of the Spitfires flying today! 😀
Bob Mitchell’s machines at Cosford have been debated here many times. Like Dr Ian Dalziel who owns the WW Monarch, he doesnt respond to any efforts to obtain his Witney Straight, Monarch or other flying machines, despite the sorry conditions they are stored in. ……………..
Anybody had a peek recently and can post the photos here?
Hairyplane,
Did you not see the link I provided in my recent post about Proctukas – see the following (2nd photo down) which shows the Monarch G-AIDE (ex G-AFRZ) @ Cosford – but not sure how long back – not my photo see credits + website ID. http://www.wonwinglo.scale-models.net/id33.htm
Thanks Cees – looks like a lot of hard work has gone into what you’re achieving and worth a visit.