I have just browsed through TIGHAR Tracks, the zine published by TIGHAR, and have not seen any recovery articles. They seem to mount expiditions to crash sites and report what they find. They also seem to mount a large amount of fundraising activities (funds for TIGHAR).
Strangely enough, as I always just assumed they had been involved in plenty of recoveries (seems to be the impression I get from their website).
Nevertheless, TIGHAR are more of an Aviation archaeology group in the wreck chaser sense. They investigate and dig up scraps (nothing wrong with that), rather then recovering and restoring aircraft.
I’ll be very interested to see what Tangmere1940 hear back from Hendon. Not sure how much they correspond on these matters, but hopefully they will give some answers.
Regarding the funding; I know they yanks are better at generating private funding, as their entire system is based in private donations – the government don’t give much. Where we in Europe normally expect out tax money to cover things (Ok, maybe not A/C recovery).
Granted the underground storage project funded by TIGHAR might seem slightly fantastic, but the stories do keep circulating and perhaps they might eventually end the speculation. If people think there are stored WWII aircraft in underground bunkers, then please go ahead and look for them. If even they find a cache of engines, it money well spend.
Personally I think there are better projects, such as locating the missing Berlin Air Museum aircraft, or at least document their end. However, I’m not
TIGHAR.
Regardless of all the TIGHAR stuff, I guess we all would like to see the P-38 recovered and preserved. I feel it belongs in the Uk, as it really is part of British aviation history (no matter who operated it), but as long as it is recovered/preserved by someone who can see the project through to the end (finance and expertise), I can’t say I’m too pushed about its final destination. There is British groups who can do this, but TIGHAR was appearently up early in the morning and got the licence.
Did any British groups apply for the licence?
We have to give it to them, that they got the boots on and started the job very early on. Maybe the British groups, who have the ability to recover/preserve such an aircraft, should have moved earlier on. There is no point in running about after the fact.
About Amelia – well, we all know we miss her 😀
How about ‘Sewage Outflow Gal’ ?
I vote for that one 😀
Glacier girl is a great name…..
Mr Jackson, can I please have a Lancaster FSM when you are done filming?
Well certainly this may be a little interesting topic as its my understanding that the site lies between high and low tide, so who owns it as thats a gray area in itself?, surely if the local council had anything about them they would try to keep the wreck locally as part of their heritage.
just out of interest if there are any forum members wishing to try their luck with a bucket and spade on the beach, more than one licence can be issued at any one given time to the same site.
If MOD issue more than one licence per wreck, then someone in the UK should seek one, just in case The Maid suddenly dissapears to US (would she be an Au pair then?)
The above if people actually want the P-38 to stay in Britain.
Is there an independent confirmation about MOD funding the recovery?
I had my eye on the fundraising too…..
I have found that WIX (more than this forum) seem to get a good laugh about TIGHAR, so I simply wondered.
I have no idea how the British licence system works (or any other licence system for that matter :p) but he seems to be answering questions on WIX, so maybe someone should ask him.
May I gently guide you to this post:
http://forum.keypublishing.co.uk/showthread.php?p=1287315&posted=1#post1287315
Can somebody tell me which WW2 aircraft TIGHAR have recovered, what was done with them and where they are now? And for the avoidance of doubt, this is not a veiled ‘dig’ (no pun intended!) at TIGHAR but a request born out of a desire to know more about the group, and what it has achieved in the past, in order that I can have a more informed view on the comments on this thread.
They have a magasine “TIGHAR Tracks” where you can see the projects they have been involved with:
Well its not really anti Tighar feelings. More a case of getting annoyed when a group based outside the UK gives an impression that they are the most experienced in the field and that gets lots of Uk based recovery people cheesed off and rightly so.
It just happens that Tighar generates a lot of press releases while most Uk teams get on with the job then publicise the results.
Tangmere is spot on to highlight the inconsistent approach of MOD and public funded museums to organised recovery.
It was my impression that TIGHAR was an international organisation, surely they have British members too, or?
Don, I had the same impression about the P-47.
I will try to find a combat manual for the P-47. If it had a big advantage over the FW-190, I would imagine that it would be mentioned somewhere official.
Yes, facts are worthless, they can be used to prove anything….
Hi Ric,
Thanks for the info. I will be following the WIX debate.
Its seems TIGHAR got involved with “The of Harlech” very early on. The discovery was in late July 2007 and already in October 2007 TIGHAR had a survey team on site.
Its worth to remember, that TIGHAR is an International organisation and also have members in the UK. Maybe some are in prominent positions.
Naturally there are groups within the UK that can undertake a recovery of the P-38, but at this stage TIGHAR already have a recovery plan (and survey). They have the organisation, the structure, the tools and the expirence to do the job.
TIGHAR is also the only sizable aircraft recovery group, and have a track record in recovering WWII aircraft.
Besides this recovery, I have often noticed a level of anti-TIGHAR sentiments (here and in other fora) and wondered why. Could enyone enlighten me regarding this?