For those with BBC i-player….
Post number 128 of this site: http://www.usaaf.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?f=47&t=481&st=0&sk=t&sd=a&start=70 offers a link to BBC i-player: http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b0071mjk
Hi Graham, not in my area of expertise I’m afraid. Some blade part numbers and more information on the engine to which the assembled propeller is to be fitted would be useful to those folk who know about these things, I would imagine. Regards, Aerial
This is certainly a thought provoking thread and will have much more discussion after my post, I’m sure!
There’s a regular poster on here – Chox, who was also trying to get airshows moving in a more interesting way if I remember correctly. Hope he puts in an appearance.
I do agree with you Elliot, that having a change from the usual format to ‘theatre of the air’ could be a very ‘good thing’. It does need a bit of thought and risk-taking so the organisers do have to be bold and try ideas out. Those themed displays you described sound absolutely great, having never been to any. The European airshows geared up for a whole day out is one way of improving things for the visitor. I leave it to others to express their ideas about how the themes are constructed.
Turning now to the visitor, the overwhelming number of visitor parties at my local airshow are families on a day out. Some members of the family are aviation nuts, others go round the market and funfair. Although prices for food and drink are tightly controlled with upper limits, it is still an expensive day for a family so by giving a few ‘freebies’ (drinking water and disposable cups comes to mind) the ‘experience’ is enhanced. Yes, there is a cost but in the overall scheme of things it isn’t much. If facilities are open until well in the evening (hangar dance) it again gives an impression of a good day out, well worth the money. The organisers need to be family friendly really, because it is they who need to be attracted but without forgetting the aviation nut who is catered for by ‘theatre of the air’ and other themes. In short, the wider the appeal, the more people will come. Oh, and the ‘honey cart’ needs to be doing the business more often!
Stallholders and funfair operators may be happy to carry on until there are no more customers and therefore might be agreeable to a slightly higher rent (a lot of customers will disappear at the end of the show). If a family goes home happy with a feeling that they haven’t had every possible penny squeezed, the likelihood is that they’ll come next time, maybe with another party of friends.
To address some of your specifics: Ground attractions, get anything that’ll fly or has anything to do with flying with someone to talk about what they bring. If there’s a day when not everything that is programmed flies you need something else for the visitor to see, make it interesting with variety.
Commentary, needs to be someone who ‘knows his stuff’ but doesn’t babble on over the beautiful noise that aircraft make. There was a sizeable thread on here about one such individual last year.
Music, it always seems to be aviation film music at my local show (another case of same old…, and it’s on a loop!) but whatever is played – it needs to be off when the aircraft are likely to be heard. My view is that there’s a time and place for everything but music (muzak?) seems to be everywhere and at all times!
Sky High’s comment: “a considerably re-worked show with all the added attractions you propose would not attract many more visitors and certainly not if the price was to be increased as well” is true for the ones that ‘sold out’ like Cosford last year. There’s a case for whole weekend airshow to spread the visitor load over two days.
Hope that’s useful, regards, Aerial
Hi Chox, I was a bit slow typing!
I see! Nevertheless, Mr Gunner is still the current registered owner, therefore as far as I can see, it must still belong to him. Either the museum had it on loan or they didn’t register their ownership.
Aside from G-MW’s lesser importance in it’s life with the RAF, the way I read G-INFO I see that it doesn’t belong to the RAFM so what are they doing selling it, I wonder.
Cracking afternoon but wrong day for the engines – again! Oh well, perhaps next time!
As it seems a bit quiet on this thread I wonder if anyone knows what is going to be displayed and demonstrated? There are usually some engines to be run and I have missed them all on previous visits by either going on the wrong day or arriving too late! I will be visiting the Build-a-Plane project though as a good friend and ex-work colleague is heavily involved.
I have used Polymax for similar a/v mounts in the past. http://www.polymax.co.uk/
Hello everyone and season’s greetings to you all.
I forwarded all the information to my cousin the other day and just recieved an e-mail in which he says “This morning I have sat down to read your last email in detail, Wow – what a staggering amount of information, it will take me a day or two to absorb it all. I am grateful to you and the other participants for their help – I don’t think that I could ever have found this depth of information”. Both he and I are appreciative of the digging around and presentation of the information here and privately and we would like to thank you all very much indeed. Thank you.
Well, thank you all for the staggering amount of detail that you have unexpectedly provided. I appreciate your efforts very much and I’m certain my cousin will, once I show him this thread.
I think that I have a pretty much complete picture of the events now. I understood that the body of the pilot, Sgt Wadmore, was never recovered so that is good, but sad news. We didn’t know that the aircraft had been recovered either and I hesitated to ask these sensitive details. The info from Airfixtwin on the recovery of the aircraft will now complete the story of what happened to it.
I had asked for the Squadron Code because I wanted to be able to describe the aircraft, show my cousin pictures including the one undergoing restoration and ask him to imagine the Squadron Code of MS619 painted on the fuselage.
Alan, your info from the ORB is much more than I ever expected so a special thank you for that. I had quite forgotten that such details would be recorded in the ORB. Thank you too, for the explanation of AVIA and BT. This will be useful to my cousin, should he wish to get complete copies of documents relating.
I think this thread is a superb example of the generosity and helpfulness of the members and will perhaps be useful to someone else in the future. Thanks again.
Thank you everyone, for your contributions which make interesting reading. I’m much obliged to you all.
Tim, after the aircraft registration number you write P& Powis 1690 / C 23 (c). What does all that mean? I understand the rest and can explain that to my cousin quite easily. Your very kind offer of a copy of the Accident Report will be appreciated very much and I will pm my e-mail address in a moment.
Sabrejet, likewise! Would you mind putting the words to these letters, please? AVIA and BT.
Beermat, that’s a most useful observation that will be kept in mind when investigating further.
Now, I have some more questions and would be most grateful for any info again. I have seen Squadron Codes listed elsewhere on the web but No 12 AGS didn’t feature. Was this Unit ‘parented’ at Bishops Court whilst being part of a larger organisation? I can’t think that I have ever seen a picture of a WW2 RAF aircraft without a Squadron Code on it so do any of you know what it may have been on this aircraft?
Me too. Signed.
Maj, there was an earlier thread for someone looking for one of the aircrew and it might give a little more background information: http://forum.keypublishing.com/showthread.php?118050-Seeking-family-history-WWII-RAF-Records-help-needed&highlight=elvington+halifax+france
Here is another: http://forum.keypublishing.com/showthread.php?91989-Looking-for-information-concerning-Sergent-Chef-BIAGGI
Good luck!
Done too!
Blackcat, you have a pm.