That’s not proof. That’s the same BS that has been disproven by actual actions. I demand that you show me something from Sukhoi itself.

Stormpages is the old Hui Tong site, and the information there is all outdated.

The defacto actions per se of the Chinese industry and the PLAAF clearly do not indicate there is a 200 limit on the total number of Flankers China can build. They developed the J-11B for the long run, and not just 80 planes, and there is clear indication they want to make a navalized J-11C/J-11H for the Varyag and future carriers—wanting to buy only two Su-33 sounds too obvious. In addition to that, there is also credible discussion of a two seater variant J-11S being under development.

That does not sound like another >80 planes (whats left after the 105 kits and the fifth batch J-11A/B prototypes).

Western media like Janes, AFM, AW, have stopped harping on the 200 plane quota long ago, as that only applies to the SK based line.

Crobato

Russian books still quote that, you are simply thinking the J-11/Su-27 program is the J-7/MiG-21 and that eventually China will screw Sukhoi building Sukhoi`s Su-27 as the J-11 and producing it beyond a real contract.

All this comes from the fact you especulate and many others have done the same and you have made an especulation a proven fact, that only is on your mind because the J-11/Su-27 program is not the J-7.

In the 1960s the Soviet Union delivered all the documentation to China needed to build MiG-21s. after both nations had their rift, China built MiG-21s as if they were an original domestic design.
China and the Soviet Union fought a border war, that was the conclusion of their ideological and economical rift

By 1990, Russia allowed China to build all the Su-27 their contract stated and that contract only covered for 200 airframes since 30% of the Su-27 was to be build in Russia.

China and Russia are economic partners and strategic allies, the JF-17 shows you that China has to content to respect Klimov`s veto about the RD-33.
Russia has a saying only in what respects the engine of the JF-17 if the JF-17 uses RD-93s to power it, question for you why China does respect those agreements? answer simply because as any civilized nation knows breaking the agreement will bring also economic reprisals, in the JF-17 only the engine is russian, because the JF-17 is a chinese product, the Su-27 is different it has more restrictions it is a 100% russian product

If China breaks the agreement, Russia will also break other agreements specially the economic ones, that will affect both nations, for the Russians their defence industry is a big source of foreign currency, they are not willing to loose money, remember they are not willing to barter unless it is in the interest of their national economy.

Sukhoi needs hard currency and they set a fixed number of airframes for those USD $2.7 billion dollars.

For Russia and China fight a nuclear war against each other is not in their common interest, break out economic relations due to unfair economic practices is not also in their agenda.

The fact China still buys Sukhois and russian weapons shows simply they will respect the agreements, meanwhile Russia and China have economic relations and peaceful ones both nations won`t break agreements, niether will try to break official agreemenst of such importance in military terms.

Сотрудничество России и Китая в области военного авиастроения будет развиваться – Роспром
Чжухай (Китай). 2 ноября. ИНТЕРФАКС-АВН
– Российско-китайское сотрудничество в сфере военного авиастроения не исчерпало свой потенциал и будет развиваться, считает руководитель Федерального агентства по промышленности (Роспром) Борис Алешин.
“Китай сегодня пытается деверсифицировать свою авиационную промышленность. При этом уклон делается в технологическую составляющую. Они целенаправленно наращивают свой потенциал. Соответственно, все, что закупается за рубежом, Китай пытается адаптировать в местную промышленность. Сейчас идет процесс осмысления развития проекта на базе Су-30. Я уверен, что сотрудничество в военной области будет продолжаться. Особенно в создании таких самолетов”, – сказал Б.Алешин “Интерфаксу-АВН” на проходящем в Китае международном авиакосмическом салоне Airshow China-2006.

Russian- Chinese collaboration in the sphere of military aircraft construction did not exhaust its potential and it will be developed, counts the leader of federal agency on the industry (By [rosprom]) Boris [Aleshin].
“China today attempts to [deversifitsirovat] its aircraft industry. In this case the incline is done into technological component. They goal-directed increase their potential. Accordingly, which is bought abroad, China attempts to adapt everything into the local industry. Now continues the process of the comprehension of the development of design on the base Su-30. I am confident, that the collaboration in the military affairs will continue. Especially in the creation of such aircraft “, said [B].[Aleshin] “to Interfax -[AVN]” on the international aerospace salon Of airshow Of china-2006 taking place in China.

sourcehttp://www.pwgs.org/news/news_03_11_06.htm

Give me proof that Sukhoi had demanded royalties from China with regards to J-11B. They had every opportunity to do this since 2001 and everyday continue to roll past without any.

They have already been paid, the USD $2.7 billion dollars contract covered 200 airframes.
For the Chinese it is not worthed to break a license in order to get in conflict with Russia in commercial matters, both Russia and China in order to continue having commercial relations and economic ones they will stick to the agreements they sign, wether it is the Russian debt or the Su-27 license.

Civilized nations know the best way to continue commercial relations is respect agreements and the Chinese are not fool, they know they have to stick to the contract specially now they can build their own aircraft such as the J-10 without any need of sticking to a license as the Su-27`s case

In February 1996 Moscow and Beijing reached a $2.2 billion agreement for Chinese co-production of the Sukhoi Su-27. Under the initial agreement China would produce up to 200 aircraft [without the right to reexport the jets to third countries] from Russian-made components over three to five years. The total cost of the contract is $1.5 billion, including $650 million for technical documents and $850 million for parts, instruments and equipment provided by Komsomolsk-on-Amur Aviation Enterprise imeni Yuriy Gagarin [KnAAPO], which is to deliver around 30 percent of all completing parts for 200 Chinese SU-27SK jets. Russia has licensed coproduction of Su-27s to the Shenyang Aircraft Company, which can produce fifteen to twenty per year. In the period 1998-2000 Shenyang plans to assemble only 15 Su- 27SK fighters of the 200 permitted under the terms of the contract. The first two aircraft built at Shenyang flew at the end of 1998. Eventually China might seek to obtain as many as 300 Su-27s.

sourcehttp://www.fas.org/nuke/guide/china/aircraft/j-11.htm

check the word cooproduction

The info is outdated and should be seriously questioned. Unless you can produce the actual wordings of the contract, I have to say the contract for a limit of 200 planes per se is only limited to the Su-27SK, not for all Flankers produced in China of all types, and it clearly does not apply to the J-11B.

The J-11s appeared to have been produced in five batches, given their factory serials (01XX, 02XX, 03XX, 04XX, 05XX). I believe the first four were the ones in kits (105 delivered total). The J-11B started with 052X, of which we have seen 0523, 0524, 0525 and a production finished aircraft, probably 0526. Likely there could be 0520 to 0522 as prototypes too. They possibly could not have skipped on 0501 to 0519, which is likely to be more early prototypes and evaluation aircraft, with at least one stress and shake static airframe.

man the J-11 does not exist in terms of license. it is only a domestic designation the aircraft is for Sukhoi a Su-27 and as such pays royalties, you are just saying a fantasy, Sukhoi will demand the license and the royalties for each Su-27 built in China, does not matter if you call it Su-27 or J-11

There is no set airframes as Sukhoi never iterated it formally even up to now. They have already more than a few years to “complain” since they knew about the Shenyang project, which is not so secretely displayed in the corporate office hall of Shenyang Aircraft Corporation since 2001. Frankly, Shenyang had a full size Su-27 mockup with Chinese missiles and pennant 2001 on the side of the mockup.

The original contract was to include an option to acquire 200 kits to assist in the production of the J-11. It is not a limit.

China would not have extensively developed the J-11B if they are going to be limited for less than a hundred. They have a bigger ambition than that.

Parity is an important step for the PLAAF considering what they had before.

Also consider their training. If the PLAAF is to train under a more modern environment, they need modern aircraft to match. You can only go so far in pretending to do modern training with not so modern aircraft.

Compared to the surrounding nations, PLAAF has some fundamental advantages though. They got bigger budget matched with a lower cost of acquisition, and a more active defense military complex developing all sorts of things. It does not need to import as much stuff, so there is less govermental export bureaucratic hinderances and negotiations. For this reason they can produce and acquire planes faster and in greater numbers.

Crobato that is not accurate
In fact on 6 december 1996 China and Russia signed a five year contract for the assembly of 200 Su-27s worthed 2.7 billion dollars
If China completes these they will have a total number of 370 including those bought directly from Russia.

This contract is obviously a typical contract specifying the number of airframes, of course China can modify its Flankers as they wish.

see that the number exceeds the number of F-15 built by Japan by 150 Su-27 more.

The number specify is due to the numbers of airframes going to be built, why you are trying to present is two things, the Russians were fooled and the Chinese own the copy right of the SU-27, can China violate the agreement yes it can, will it affect it, yes it will.

Remember militarily speaking the russians can not be threaten they have more ICBMs and economically speaking Sukhoi is a capitalist enterprise.
Violating the agreement will be foolish, in fact 370 Flankers is a very big number of aircraft to build, the chinese are not yet in the level to produce 1100 F-15s as the US did it took many years to the US to build them, China won`t build them in very large rates.

For the chinese it is more logical build their own aircraft instead of getting in troubles with a partner and fit J-10s with indigenous engines.