First of all no pic of Yak-38 in Afghanistan!
Second take a look at the map at first, before spreading BS from Russian websites.
The PAF responded to border violations , and the squadrons at Peshawar (only 24 km from the border) and Kamra maintained an alert status in order to be able to respond. Stringend rules of engagement were enforced, including a requirement that only fighters or bombers could be attacked, and that any wreckage would have to fall inside Pakistan, Allthough they were scrambled many times from 1980, PAF fighters were unable to engage an intruder until May 1986.
With an ill-defined border border between the two countries and with the Soviets and their Afghan allies eager to hit back, border violations were inevitable, sometimes accidental and sometimes deliberate.
This posed a major problem to Pakistan, which could not ignore cross-border attacks on its territory, yet it did not wish to be drawn into a war with Afghanistan or its powerfull supporter, what was a supporter of India too.The prominent Alexander Rutskoi and his Su-25 incident in 4 Aug 88 can tell us, which was in the closing stage of Russian envolvement at all.
Sens
Please you possition respect the Yak-38 is even childish, first the Yak-38 operations in Afghanistan were very limited, second the pictures can exist and simply we have not found them, the report is very simple many Russian veterans have forums where once in a while they post old pictures they even post pictures of their buddies and camarads in arms.
There is no reason to lie about the Yak-38 operations in Afghanistan beyond your belief the Russians are lying, it is ilogic to think that few days and only 107 flights represent a reason to lie.
Your explanation of the Pakistani operations against the Russians are even out of the reality.
The Soviet Afghan war was a result of two sides wrestling from each other world power, you have the Russian side that included the Russian Afghan allies and the Red Army against the US, Pakistan and the Afghan insurgents
It is obvious that both sides fought each other, the Pakistani were no angels innocent babies who did not organize the anti-Soviet Afghan insurgents, if the Russians attacked was simply a result of the Pakistani support and that support included air power.
However we have to see that both sides did not want a full open war between the Soviet Union and Pakistan so both sides under a very disguised policy tried to keep their military clashes to a level that full war or even a declared war was not evident and provoked.
source of pictures
http://www.pobeda.ru/spravka/images/st_590_afgan/st_590_afgan_13.html
http://afgan.ru/43/mfoto8.htm
These following pictures are of Mi-8s and a Mi-24 Hind in the Soviet Afghan war
http://www.afghanwar.spb.ru/41/41mi19.jpg
Source http://www.afghanwar.spb.ru/41/mfoto19.htm
NO one answer:
US prop bomber: B-17
UK prop bomber (and more) Mosquito
UF prop fighter: P-51
UK prop fighter: SpitfireI know, this is getting a bit predictable..
US jet fighter: F-86 (plus the F-104 and F-16 for just looking cool)
US jet bomber: B-52 … 50+ years and still going strong…
I agree no one answer
but i guess depends
from WWII i like the P-51 and He-162, 1950s the SAAB Tunnan, 1960s MiG-23 and AJ-37 1970s i am unsure either the MiG-29M or the F-15C and from 1980s Ching Kuo and F-22.;bomber only the Tu-22M and He-111
But this is my favorite fighter in terms of overall looking traits and capabilities
but in 1945 i would like to be a pilot of this machine
Read what I wrote in the context of when it was written. (ie read the other posts around it). Aparantly the Mig-31 will not be a good interceptor because its AB plume will give its position away. Giving its postion away to B-52s and B-2s is not greatly important as they can’t out run a Mig-31, nor can they fire upon a Mig-31. Equally an F-22 has no IRST so heat plumes will remain unobserved. Typhoons and Rafales have IRSTs but GCI radars will detect them at very long range so there will be no question of who surprises whom. Obviously as I stated the likelyhood of F-22s and Typhoons and Rafales vs Mig-31s is zero anyway.
16.5 ton engines currently… so 33 tons is the correct thrust.
Where does the figure of 15km/minute come from? Flight profile after takeoff will normally have stages where the aircraft will climb for a bit and then level off to gain speed to increase the climb rate and then climb again.
Whereas there are just miliseconds warning with a B-52 crossing the North Pole with no body knowing what will happen from one second to the next…
SR-71s were spotted and tracked from very long range, giving plenty of time for the Mig crews to get into ideal positions for interception. Enormous closing speeds were simply not an issue with a mach 3 plane, why would they be a problem with an incoming bomber or cruise missile?
OOOOhhhh Arrrrrrgh Begorrr. Yeah got me. Just because I wasn’t balancing on the knife edge that was the cold war I can’t possibly understand anything.
Perhaps that is why I seem to you to be anti west? back from the front lines watching the US and the West doing all the bad things they claim the Soviets were doing and shouting that that was proof that they were evil. In fact reading a book published 2 centuries ago by a British naval expert telling all who will read it that the Russians can’t be trusted… they are half asian you know… remember this was before communism when Russia’s crime was a percieved threat to India, the jewel in Britains crown. But then it has always been something. Threatens India, became communist, too much of a rival to the US.
Garry B
The whole point is a Stealth aircraft is hard to detect and the MiG-31 is not maneouvrable, the first task in a F-22 versus MiG-31 combat is detect the F-22, the F-22 can recieve information via data link without betraying it`s position the MiG-31 can not hide it`s afterburners flying a Mach 2.35 mission, it is detectable, an interceptor in the class of the Panavia Tornado has not the first kill option versus the MiG-31 but the F-22 does.
If the MiG-31 can not locate the F-22 it`s the pray not the hunter, the Panavia Tornado onlly will be better at close or medium ranges but the F-22 at any range.
The F-22 can attack at will if it is not detected, the MiG-31 is blind as as a blind as a boy hitting a pinata, it fires missiles but to what?
Very likely the Panavia Tornado will fly at Mach 2.2 for few minutes i guess around 10 or 15 minutes at the most (this is a guess not a real and confirmed data) but the F-22 can not get tired it will fly longer at high speed and it`s supercuise won`t betray him.
So at the end the MiG-31 can not beat the F-22 because it is at the defensive and blind.
The B-2 is even worst because it even won`t fire any missile.
The F-22 it`s detectable at very close range but at very close range it is more lethal and the MiG-31 more vulnerable
I have heard that the Buccaneer had a better range/payload performance than the F-111 too :diablo:
Supersonic dash capability for getting out of trouble quickly, afterburners and thrust reversers for short airfield capability and advanced avionics were all proposed for Buccaneer developments (see and read about the Blackburn P.150 here http://www.thunder-and-lightnings.co.uk/buccaneer/history.html ).
The Tornado has some nice kit but it’s performance is mediocre.
The Panavia Tornado is not mediocre, it is one of the best aircraft of the late 20th century.
The TSR.2 could not become what the Panavia Tornado has because the lack of VG wings kept quit complex and expensive the over all program, the TSR.2 was an excellent aircraft but was too expensive because the demands on the Engines were so high due to the lack of VG wing, the F-111, Su-24 and Panavia Tornado programs did understand that for such reason they have VG wings that allow STOL and high speeds to be achieved even with relatively low power engines, the TSR.2 was a powerful aircraft but too ahead for it`s time and therefore too expensive for a single nation to purchase.
The Blackburn Buccaneer can not compete with the F-111 because the F-111 is a real high performance aircraft, in fact a TSR.2 equivalent or in few words a generation ahead of the Buccaneer.
The TSR.2 had a high thrust to weight ratio for a 1960s aircraft in order to achieve STOL and high speed at low and high altitudes, the Tornado and the F-111 achieved that with less powerful engines but with VG wings in a more economical way
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