MiG-23MLDThe F-111 never carried tanks, except for ferry flights, although the FB-111A always carried tanks on alert. In Vietnam, the F-111A cruised the with the wings forward, but then were swept back to 45 degrees in the combat area. The bomb bay was never used as a bomb bay, except when filled with nukes. The USAF put a canon in the F-111 bomb bay. The F-111F had a PAVE TACK laser designater stowed there later in its career. I can’t say what the Australians did, but they have PAVE TACK now. The F-111 did have four pylons under each wing, but the outer two are fixed, so the wings can’t be swept back when mounted, so they were never used, except on the FB-111A.
I don’t think the Su-24 ever had anything like PAVE TACK. I have been told by an F-15E Strike Eagle pilot that the F-111F was a better bomber than the F-15E, which is quite a testament. I would say the F-111F is better than the Su-24.
I think none of these two fighters is better than the other, they are equally good, both are excellent machines.
If you want max speed and long range the F-111 is the better of the two, but if you want producibility the Su-24 is better, but as low level high speed bombers both are equally good
MiG-23MLDWS-10A is operational with J-10. And WS-10A is in mass production, this is something we know from recent avic1 articles.
Can you prove it?
MiG-23MLDThe speed of Fencer is over 2.2M. Three X-58 loading under fuselage means the cross section of Fencer would be larger than F-111, which also because the powerplant en Fencer is greater than Aardvark.
Considering internal fuel in both Fencer and Aardvark are roughly equal, so the vantage of range you mentioned basically depends on external fuel which carried by.
Let’s presume that both Fencer and Aardvark carried two standard external fuel tanks, Fencer could load more weapon than F-111 if swept angle of wing is variable.
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The Fencer has a smaller cross section than the F-111, simply because its inlets are very narrow, also originally the Su-24 was able to reach Mach 2.1 but only in few test flights, later variants deleted the VG inlets, and the ramps are fixed, the aircraft is a Mach 1.6 aircraft .
Looks might be decieving, the fencer has a blunter radome and the inlets narrower giving the impression of having a bigger cross section however the reality both aircraft have roughly the same cross section from the cockpit to the radome, but after the cockpit towards the inlets, the F-111 has a larger cross section, also the F-111 has the fixed wing gloves starting from the cockpit and they run down to the wing, the Su-24 has very small fixed wing gloves.
The larger wing gloves and larger inlets increased the area behind the cockpit in the F-111 where fuel and its internal weapons bay are located.
Also the Fencer usually carries less external fuel tanks
http://www.airwar.ru/enc/bomber/su24m.html
MiG-23MLDIf we’re splitting hairs here, the F-111 also has an extra hardpoint between the ventrals for ECM pods. Also, the F-111 was never meant to be a strategic bomber, it was a tactical interdiction bomber. The FB-111 that was pressed into service in a strategic role was a stopgap measure until the B-1 or larger FB-111H was completed.
The americans designed a fighter bomber with larger cross section, this allowed for a larger and heavier internal fuel capacity, since they did not delete the VG inlet system, their fighter was much faster, so the F-111 also ended up having a much longer range thanks to the fact it can carry more fuel tanks than the Su-24, add up the refueling probe and the F-111 has a range at least a 1/3 longer than the Su-24.
The aircraft is heavier, yes the F-111 has a MTOW heavier than the Su-24 and can carry more weapons, and still the F-111 is a Mach 2.5 aircraft, this shows the excellent aerodynamics it has.
This provoked that the F-111 was suitable (probably ill suited) for strategic missions.
The Su-24 was simplier making it a basic medium range tactical bomber that out produced the F-111 in an almost 2.5:1 rate or a 1400 Su-24 /563 F-111 units rate
MiG-23MLDI guess the IAF’s conundrum is that it wants to support indigenous programs, but at the same time, has to stay aware of what capabilities it needs to maintain superiority in the neighbourhood.
If the Tejas is to be the backbone of the IAF alongwith the MRCA and the Su-30MKI, then it needs to be a very capable fighter, considering that IAF’s threats are a lot greater than most other Asian and European Air Forces. no offence meant, but India has had 4 major wars in its history with Pakistan alone, the most recent one being in 1999, where air support was crucial and has a belligerant China making claims on its territory all the time, as well as occupying territory.
that thinking is what probably makes IAF feel that it can’t accept anything less than a fully multirole 4th gen fighter, although it would make sense to induct it faster with less capabilities.but then, apart from that, testing has’nt been very quick, due to the sheer learning curve that Indian engineers have to master, and in part due to the fear that if a single LCA crashes, the entire program could be held ransom.
Wing Cmdr Rajiv Kothiyal had recieved the prestigious Ivan C. Kincheloe award for test pilots when he had presented a paper on the test flight program for the Tejas, and had surprised the world test pilots community on how complex it was- they just did’nt expect that India would be taking up such a challenging task with no prior experience.
those who understand the difficulty in flight testing a 4th gen all digital FBW equipped fighter do appreciate how difficult the task is.
so its likely that even if the IAF had said ok to a pure air to air role Tejas, it would’nt necessarily have entered service much faster.
The question is practicality, if we look at the other Asian fighters, the other fighters are already operationl and have had relatively smooth programs.
The J-10, is flying already in large operational numbers, the J-10 is as good as the LCA, in my opinion better than the LCA in aerodynamics (perhaps the J-10 is not superior in stealth characteristics) and has also a domestic engine WS-10 but uses AL-31s
The Chinese might have critics of lack of originality since Russia and several other powers claim the J-10 is a Lavi, but definitively it is alredy operational and as good as the F-16 and MiG-29.
Originality is not the most important aspect, the Ching kuo is an offspring of the F-16 but the aircraft is flying since 1989, the F-2 also another offspring of the F-16, the F-2 is flying in small numbers but operational.
What India is doing is simply relying in the Su-30MKI and soon in another J-10 equivalent (perhaps the F-18E or the Gripen if a western fighter is Chosen or the MiG-35 as the real LCA equivalent) filling the duties the LCA should had filled long time ago
MiG-23MLDdo you mean the inlet on Su-24 is not a variable geometry?
just compare similar powerplant bomber, don’t drag in two many lead to go mass.
The early Su-24 did have a variable goemetry inlet but later Sukhoi deleted the system from production aircraft, they considered the Su-24 did not need high speed at high altitudes since it was a low altitude intruder and the VG inlet system only added weight
MiG-23MLDInviting your opinion which one is better?
The F-111 has 6-8 pylons under wing with a small bomb bay inside aeroframe, which is seemingly greater than Su-24 that has 7 pylons (3 under aeroframe + 4 under wing). one the other hand, while full load, the Su-24 still can changed swept angle of wing but F-111 only can do with half load under wing.
I fixed a 1/72 model which my nuncle in law bought from abroad. the model even show 3 kh-58 a2g missile under aeroframe and 2 under wing plus two 3000 liters tanks loaded by inside pylon. Such load with variable geometry wing is more impressive to me compare with the F-111 reluctant wing changeable.
The F-111 can carry more fuel and has a VG inlet system so it is faster and has longer range, the Su-24 is lighter has a less complex fixed geometry inlet and was built in larger numbers.
Both aircraft are the same concept, a side by side twin engined VG wing fighter bomber with TF radar, however the Russians made it more of a tactical bomber for closer to battelfield operations and the americans more of a strategic bomber for attacks deeper inside the enemy territory.
Both are designed for a 6-7Gs overloads, and both were designed as low altitude high speed strike aircraft
MiG-23MLDIn this thread, we may discuss about new fighters like S. Korea’s T-50, the Chinese J-10, the Sino-Pak FC-1.
Under emerging fighters, we may discuss about Japan’s F-3, Iran’s Azarakhsh, India’s Tejas LCA, and China’s “secretive” J-XX.
Experimental or conceptual fighters like India’s MCA, and Russia’s MiG 1.44 and Su-47 may also be discussed.
In my opinion only China is building fighters to western standards and in large numbers, The Ching Kuo it is too slow and underpower, India`s LCA despite is very advanced and technologically a wonderful machine, it is not an easy aircraft to put into production, the iranians and south Koreans do not seem to have created really advanced fighters, but rather light fighter trainers.
Russia is not totally Asian and has a lot of European territories, so Russia should not considered Asian, just Russian,
Japan won`t produce any stealthy design and frankly i guess they are just bluffing and their F-2 is not as advanced as the J-10 in terms of aerodynamics
MiG-23MLDhttp://kr.blog.yahoo.com/shinecommer…5.html?p=1&t=3
would someone be kind enough to post pics from URL Address above? my laptop keeps getting messages saying “the image cannot be saved or retrieved…”
i managed to save some other Yak-130 images from other sites, but the ones here have got to be the best ones i found.
pictures and sources http://combatavia.info/index6yak130.html
MiG-23MLDИркутский авиазавод поставит российским ВВС 62 учебно-боевых истребителя Як-130
ИРКУТСК, 4 июня. (ИТАР-ТАСС). Иркутский авиационный завод – филиал научно-производственной корпорации “Иркут” – приступает к выполнению заказа на производство для российских ВВС 62 учебно-боевых истребителей Як-130, сообщил журналистам президент корпорации Олег Демченко.
По его словам, “есть большой заказ на ЯК-130, он подписан и бюджет утвержден Минобороны, 62 самолета будут делаться на Иркутском заводе”.
Первый Як-130 сибирские авиастроители соберут в конце нынешнего года и в 2009 г. начнутся его поставки отечественным ВВС. Также заключен контракт на производство данного истребителя для Алжира. Двухместный Як-130 разработан ОКБ им.Яковлева и предназначен для начальной и углубленной подготовки летчиков. Аэродинамическая схема и параметры силовой установки и систем самолета позволяют ему выполнять полеты практически на всех режимах, свойственных современным и перспективным отечественным и зарубежным боевым машинам, в том числе Су-30, МиГ-29, F-16. Кроме того, “Як” можно применять для отработки режимов боевого применения вооружения типа “воздух-воздух” и “воздух-поверхность”. На точках внешней подвески они способны нести до 3 т бомб и ракет.
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Irkutsk aviation plant will supply 62 training and combat fighter Yak-130s to the Russian air force
IRKUTSK, June 4. (ITAR-TASS). Irkutsk aviation plant – a branch of the scientific and industrial corporations “Irkut” – takes on an order for manufacturing for the Russian Air Force up to 62 fighter-trainer aircraft Yak-130, told journalists corporation president Oleg Demchenko.
According to him, “there is a large order for the YAK-130, and he signed the budget approved by Defense Ministry, 62 aircraft will be made at the Irkutsk factory.”
The first Yak-130 aircraft Siberian manufactured at the end of this year and in 2009 they will begin deliveries to the Russian Air Force. It also was awarded a contract for the production of the fighter aircraft to Algeria. The Yak-130 is designed OKB im.Yakovleva and is designed for primary and advanced training. Its Aerodynamic scheme, power plant and parameters allow it to operate in virtually all modes that characterize contemporary and future domestic and foreign combat vehicles, including the Su-30, MiG-29, F-16. In addition, ” the Yak-130″ can use air-to-air and air-to-surface missiles. At points external suspension they can carry up to 3 tons of bombs and missiles.
MiG-23MLDSame experts said that China won’t be able to fully copy an Su-27SK and all its systems in 11 years, but the Chinese went ahead and built a better one in a third of that time. Shows you how clueless these experts are.
That’s really BS. 70% is more than controlling interest. That’s practically lock stock and barel. In addition, Zimmerman is just one of seven large machine tool companies acquired by Chinese firms.
LOL. All small potatoes now. TSMC is now world’s 5th largest producer. Where is Mikron?
Influence? Where? The Russian Mafia? Sistema has zero influence on the IT industry world wide.
Tell that to Bill Gates and Microsoft. He just invested his largest overseas research facility in China.
The fact that you don’t know crap is that a good old Centronics printer port has multiplexing. Somehow you think that’s a sign of advanced avionics?
What 10% of the science Russia has produced? The ones they copied from WWII German scientists? While the rest of the world developed the Transistor, the Microwave, the Magnetron, the Microprocessor, the Internet?
Glosnass? Look at GPS, which achieves a much higher resolution. German/Dutch/French are not running the world’s most advanced fabs, the Japanese, the Koreans and the Taiwanese are. They’re the ones with the 300mm wafers. TSMC alone has 50% of the freeplay market, and the rest of the 50% is divided between other Taiwanese, China, Singapore and Korean fabs. Infinion behind the Ipod? Are you deluded or something? Ipods are subcontracted to a Taiwanese firm and made in China. My Ipod Touch says Made in China.
You really have no idea how complex the civilian fields and technologies can be.
And the last Soyuz nearly has a disastrous reentry.
It does not change the fact that the Kaveri is being tested in Russia, which means Russian assistance, and obviously the help is not “helping”.
India’s IT industry has deep connections with the Silicon Valley. They learned a lot themselves but also with the help of these connections, as many Indians work in Silicon Valley. Help from Russians is zero in this field.
Did Russia deliver the Documentation to China of the Su-27? answer yes
Did Russia deliver the machinery to built up the Su-27 to China? yes they did.
Is China buying AL-31s for the J-10 in 2008? yes they are
The Chinese could only build the Su-27 thanks to tech transfers from Russia.
It is possible the Chinese did better than the expected, however it does not mean they are able to do a better J-11B than the Su-30MKI or the Su-35BM, the CHinese still build Flankers that do not match the Russian Flankers and despite they have learnt how to build the SU-27.
MiG-23MLDEmmm, provided your link is Not outdated, how come your source says the 100 engines are for “super-10”, Echoing the Jane’s calling of J-10 with improved AL31-FN-M1 engine? The chances are: the going to be delivered 100 unit AL31FN engines are improved version as reported by Jane’s 2 years ago.
Москва. 21 февраля. ИНТЕРФАКС-АВН – Российские эксперты в области вооружений не исключают, что Китаю удалось скопировать один из лучших истребителей в мире Су-27СК, о чем сообщалось в российских и зарубежных СМИ, но они уверены, что по летным и боевым характеристикам китайская копия существенно уступает российскому оригиналу.
“Отказ КНР от перевода в твердый контракт опциона на поставку технологических комплектов для лицензионного производства истребителей Су-27СК (J-11) свидетельствует о том, что в КНР взят курс на создание собственной копии этой машины. Нельзя исключать, что рано или поздно им удастся скопировать российский истребитель, но в любом случае это будет лишь китайская копия, а не оригинал. Ни технически, ни технологически Китай пока не готов создать такую копию, которая по боевым и летно-техническим характеристикам соответствовала бы российскому Су-27”, – заявил “Интерфаксу-АВН” заместитель директора Центра анализа, стратегий и технологий Константин Макиенко.
Он напомнил, что в 1995 году был подписан контракт на лицензионное производство в Китае 200 истребителей Су-27СК, но реально было построено лишь 95 машин. Затем китайская сторона приостановила закупку машинокомплектов для сборки истребителей.
К.Макиенко отметил, что аналогичные усилия предпринимаются китайской оборонной промышленностью и в отношении практически всех других систем вооружений российского или западного происхождения. “Стоит напомнить, что, получив в 50-е годы технологию истребителя МиГ-21, китайский авиапром затем в течение сорока лет создавал на базе этой машины различные варианты собственных истребителей. В этом контексте попытки создать полностью китайский аналог Су-27 не могут вызывать удивления”, – сказал эксперт.
По его словам, в настоящий момент главным препятствием для создания китайской версии Су-27 являются трудности в копировании двигателя АЛ-31Ф, передача технологии которого не была предусмотрена лицензионным контрактом 1995 года. “Масштабные китайские закупки двигателей АЛ-31Ф и АЛ-31ФН в России свидетельствуют о том, что китайская реплика WS-10A все еще не удовлетворяет современным требованиям, вероятнее всего, по ресурсным характеристикам. С учетом быстрого и устойчивого экономического и научно-технологического роста КНР создание аналога АЛ-31Ф представляется делом времени, но на сегодняшний момент можно уверенно констатировать все еще сохраняющееся отставание китайского военного двигателестроения от российских возможностей”, – сказал К.Макиенко.
Он отметил, что в России ведутся масштабные работы по созданию более современных версий АЛ-31Ф. “Стоит напомнить, что не далее как 19 февраля совершил первый полет прототип истребителя Су-35, оснащенный двигателями “изделие 117” разработки НПО “Сатурн” с увеличенной на 15% тягой и значительно возросшим ресурсом”, – сказал К.Макиенко.
Moscow. February 21. Interfax-AVN – Russian experts in the field of armaments do not exclude that China was able to copy one of the best fighters in the world Su-27SK, as reported in Russian and foreign media, but they are confident that on the flight and combat characteristics of the Chinese copy substantially inferior to Russian original.
“The refusal of the PRC at a solid option contract for the supply of technological kits for licensed production of Su-27SK fighters (J-11) indicates that the course taken in China to create its own copy of this machine. It can not be excluded that sooner or later they will be able to Russian fighter copy, but in any case it will only copy of the Chinese, rather than the original. Neither technically nor technologically China is not yet ready to establish such a copy, which military aircraft and technical characteristics consistent with the Russian Su-27 “- said” Interfax-AVN “Deputy Director of the Center analysis, strategies and technologies Konstantin Makienko.
He recalled that in 1995 a contract was signed on licensed production in China 200 Su-27SK fighters, but they really were built only 95 cars. Then the Chinese side suspended the purchase of mashinokomplektov to build fighter planes.
K. Makienko noted that similar efforts are the Chinese defense industry and against almost all other weapons systems Russian or Western origin. “It will be recalled that, having received in the 50 – s technology MiG-21 fighter aircraft, Chinese aviaprom then over forty years, created on the base of the machine, various options for its own fighters. In this context, attempts to create a fully analog Chinese Su-27 may not be surprising “- Said the expert.
According to him, currently the main obstacle to creating a Chinese version of Su-27 was the difficulty in copying the AL-31F engine, transfer of technology which was not provided for the licensing contract in 1995. “Large-scale Chinese purchases AL-31F engines and the AL-31FN in Russia indicate that the Chinese WS-10A replica still does not meet modern requirements, most likely on the resource characteristics. Given the rapid and sustainable economic and scientific-technological growth in China the creation of an analogue AL-31F seems a matter of time, but at this point can confidently conclude there were still lagging behind the Chinese military from Russian engine of opportunity “- said K. Makienko.
He noted that Russia conducted extensive work to create a more modern versions AL-31F. “It will be recalled that no further as February 19, performed its first flight of a prototype Su-35 fighter aircraft, equipped with engines” product 117 “development of Saturn with increased traction by 15% and significantly increased resources” – said K. Makienko
http://www.npo-saturn.ru/!new/index.php?act=gm_look&id=1203597890
MiG-23MLDSo disappoint in you, thought you only got no clue about Chinese stuff, now it seems your love of Russian stuff only stays at surface.
If you think the Basic WS-10A boosts less thrust than the Basic AL31FN, then why Salyut needs to improve the basic AL31FN to AL31FN-M1 with increased thrust from 122.6kn to 132.4kn, which tops basic WS-10A’s thrust at slightly less than 130kn, in order to secure further order?
Furthermore, the WS-10 powered J-10 only made maiden flight in the second half of last year. Obviously it needs time for J-10 to adapt a new engine with increased thrust/different weight etc. Since Salyut has offered its best line of product so far to CAC, and CAC probably also counts improved WS-10A with FADEC to be used in its latest J-10 batches. It’s nature to place order for Salyut which has long committed to the J-10 project and shows sincerity in doing business, don’t forget, Salyut manufactures AL31F because of China, it modifies AL31FN to become M1/M2/M3 standards because of China’s need, not RAF gave it a solid order, although later, the RAF indeed gave Salyut its order for powering Su27SM.
For you info:
http://www.janes.com/defence/air_forces/news/jdw/jdw060109_2_n.shtml
However, J-10 is on the way to be developed into a series products, it’s totally unsurprised to see various J-10 models being powered by either AL31FN or WS-10a just like Falcon being powered by either F110 or F100.
You are posting outdated news, this article says the Russians have sold a further batch of 100 engines to the Chinese and are due to be delivered in the 2008-2009 period.
http://mdb.cast.ru/mdb/4-2007/item_5/article_1/
MiG-23MLDLol, to the reality denier, every thing is propaganda, if one stays long enough in this board, your credibility of arguing Chinese military stuff compared to more reputed member in this area, is bankrupted long time ago. So, besides WS-10A, what else had been labeled “ propaganda” by you & the clique?
A quick recall will be: J-10 is propaganda of PS work, J11B is never existed because otherwise it has broken the Sino-Russia agreement.:rolleyes: Now, even WS-10A, which is powering J11B as even admitted by your very beloved Russians. The list goes on, no, you appeared numberless times in Chinese military related thread, throwing as much hot air and bubbles as you can. But seldom make anything right.
This time around won’t be exceptional, which your new twist is: the WS-10A till 2008 now, is only a propaganda. Instead, photo image already showed one regiment of PLAAF 1st Division has inducted J11B.
I did not say the WS-10 is not a real engine i only said this If the WS-10 is better than the AL-31 why then China buys more AL-31 for the J-10? it means simply it is not a better engine than the AL-31 because it can not power the single engine J-10, the 117S already has been tested and is a better engine than the Al-31
making a Jumbo jet is not an easy quest, it almost banckrupt Airbus, the A-380 is doing okay but is not going to be easy for China to build a aircraft of that type because the market is not easy to get.
Bombardier and Embraer know that, Sukhoi knows that, sukhoi won`t make an aircraft like the A-380 because the risk can simply backrupt Sukhoi, they know the Superjet 100 is a better and safer bet.
China is making propaganda simply because more mature companies such as Embraer and Bombardier stick to smaller more affordable aircraft (see that Bombardier is the third largest aircraft maker in the world and Embraer is the fourth largest aircraft maker in the world)and less risky projects, Airbus has Europe and the world as a market and even can compete with bombardier and Embraer with the A-321 family but the A-380 almost backrupt it.
also with rising oil prices airfare tickets are skyrocketing, in China almost 80% of the chinese people do not make more than USD $2000 a year and modern transcontinetal airfares are in the range of USD $2000 just a single round trip dollars to be affordable China needs to have better salaries therefore manufacturing cost will rise and the cheap labour the main advantage of China decreases, and getting the chinese Jumbo jets in Europe or North america is not easy having Airbus and Boeing there even in South america won`t be easy, in fact by design the ARJ-121 is primitive compared in aerodynamics to the modern Sukhoi superjet or E-170 family
Embraer and Bombardeir can also say we are going to build Jumbo jets in 20 years from now, however Embraer and bombardier are more practical, they prefer to keep a low key profile and do not make statements or in few words propaganda
In March, a salary negotiation in Hua Yue, an adhesive tape producer in Hebei Province with more than 700 employees, lifted workers’ annual minimum salary by 1,860 yuan (265 U.S. dollars). Experienced workers enjoyed a higher increase.
According to data from the National Bureau of Statistics, per-capita disposable income was 13,786 yuan in urban areas last year, up 17.2 percent, or 12.2 percent in real terms. Per-capita income was 4,140 yuan in rural areas, up 15.4 percent, or 9.5 percent in real terms.
this is the realities about salaries in China
http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2008-04/12/content_7965523.htm.
See than according to the chinese statistics the annual minimum salary is the is teh same amount of money than a round trip from London to Tokyo or Tokyo New york without considerin expenses
see it
1. Beijing Labor and Social Security Bureau: the minimum monthly salary for fresh college graduates is 1090 Yuan (135 USD);
http://www.danwei.org/media_and_advertising/beijing_media_top_stories_mini.php
At a job fair in Guangzhou last weekend, companies were offering an average salary of up to 1,160 yuan per month in a bid to attract more migrant workers
http://www.newsgd.com/news/guangdong1/content/2008-02/21/content_4331703.htm
8 June 2008 360€ US Airways John F Kennedy Intl Airport, New York Narita, Tokyo
10 June 2008 475€ US Airways John F Kennedy Intl Airport, New York Narita, Tokyo
12 June 2008 419€ Air Canada La Guardia, New York Narita, Tokyo
13 June 2008 453€ US Airways John F Kennedy Intl Airport, New York Narita, Tokyo
16 June 2008 465€ Korean Air John F Kennedy Intl Airport, New York Narita, Tokyo
27 June 2008 518€ Continental Airlines Newark International Airport, New York Narita, Tokyo
28 June 2008 484€ JAL Japan Airlines John F Kennedy Intl Airport, New York Narita, Tokyo
1 July 2008 488€ JAL Japan Airlines Newark International Airport, New York Narita, Tokyo
4 July 2008 568€ United Airlines La Guardia, New York Narita, Tokyo
7 July 2008 486€ Continental Airlines Newark International Airport, New York Narita, T
http://www.edreams.com/flights/new+york-tokyo/
also airbus is not naive they will cheapen their aircraft by outsourcing
http://www.maquilaportal.com/cgi-bin/public/board.pl?klie=9
Airbus would bring aircraft production to Mexico
2008-07-27
Mexico,- EADS, the European aeronautic company, could bring part of
the production of the. French Company Airbus to Mexico, to cut costs
and reach new markets.
Louis Gallois, President of the European Consortium, pointed-out in
an interview with the German newspaper “Berliner Zeitung” that the
Company is planning to save resources by transferring their
production to countries with lower salaries, such as Mexico and
India.
展e want to increase, especially in Airbus area, production in US
Dollars, by producing more in the United States and inexpensive
countries such as India and Mexico. This would make us more
independent from US Dollar and would allow reaching new markets・
Gallois declared.
He further said that by transferring a portion of their civil
aviation business to countries such as India or Mexico, considerable
savings would be achieved, in addition to providing access to new
markets and technological resources.
Mexico currently has the presence of Bombardier, the third largest
in the world in aircraft manufacture, which has a production plant
in the State of Queretaro, in central Mexico. Bombardier, which is
only after Boeing and Airbus in aircraft manufacture, is planning to
add 300 more workers to their labor force in 2008.
MiG-23MLDDalian Machine Tool acquires Zimmerman AG
http://www.indiacar.net/news/n9663.htm
Dalian Machine Tool acquires Zimmerman AG
Dalian Machine Tool Group, one of the leading machine tools in China, has bought a 70 percent stake in German company Zimmermann. The transaction value was not disclosed.
The Chinese will tap Zimmerman’s advanced technology for application in their home market as well as using the German firm as its overseas base for R&D and training. It will also serve as a platform on which to build a business in Europe. “The dynamic changes in technology as well as the economy are the big challenges for us today,” commented Rudolf Ganzle, president of Zimmermann. “Taking this into account, it is a logical step for Dalian Machine Tool Group and Zimmermann to start a strategic partnership… We have contracts and commitment from the Chinese partner for sustained development of Zimmermann in Germany.”
Zimmermann is a well-known supplier offive-axis gantry milling machines, counting VW, BMW, Boeing and Airbus among its customers. It has achieved good sales results in China’s aviation and auto industries.
This is not Dalian Machine Tool’s first foreign acquisition. In 2002 it bought Ingersoll Production Systems of the US and a year later acquired CM Systems, another American firm.
Zimmermann has a turnover of USD35 million while the Dalian group has more than 6,000 employees and reported sales of 5.88 billion yuan (USD711 million) last year.
Zimmermann still has a 30% owned by Germany according to this article and the original webpage does not mention any of this deal, in fact owning a 30% can mean a part that still the Chinese can not get acess.
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