one of the three prototype of J-11B during test flight

The Flanker its beautiful, that J-11B looks cool nice looking aircraft

No. China paid for the lisence to build 200 examples. They stopped ordering kits from Russia after having received 105 kits. So, the PRC can still build the balance of 95 planes with their own parts to complete the lisence agreement.

That is not accurate because China stopped recieving the Russian kits under the excuse of the fighters were not updated, China signed an agreement for 200 kits but withdrew from the agreement when they just recieved 105 kits, if China would had kept the agreement they would be still recieving kits from Russia and Sukhoi would still be making money out of china

in fact see ARM TASS Ru also reports the same

Как сообщили КДР российские военные источники, Россия официально уведомила Китай, что производство истребителя J11B является нарушением первоначального соглашения между странами,

Russia officially informed China that the production of the fighter J-11B is a violation of the original agreement between the countries (Russia and China)
http://www.arms-tass.su/?page=article&aid=53875&cid=121

Nothing shows up in one of your links specifically the one with Rossoboroexport. The only news about China on the site happened to be the Mil-171 partnership.

And the other link is nothing but a rag where the contents don’t sound new, but a repeat of what other news have said before that are all full of errors, e.g. J-11B a copy of the Su-27SKM.

The fantasy world you are living in is that whether Russia can win these cases or not. They won’t, and for the reasons already given. The Russians have no idea how the legal system in the world works, just like what happened with their AK-47 cases. Let me add to you something about patents and IP; they have an expiration. In China it’s 20 years; in the US its actually even shorter, 17 years. Did Russia ever file patents around the world copyrighting aspects of the design, and if they ever did, when? How long has the Su-27 been around, well over 20 years?

Lets see how extensive the Soviet Union did copycat. They copied the Rolls Royce Nene engine for their MiG-15s, and by your definition, what the Soviets made were inferior. They copied WWII BMW motorcycles into the Urals, and by your definition, all the Urals should be inferior. The Ladas were all copies of Fiat 124, and inferior. The Whiskey, November, Echo, Juliet, Foxtrot, Romeo, Hotel and Golf submarine classes all have a hull design that’s basically copied off from the German WWII Type XXI U-boat, and so should by definition, inferior to the German Type XXI.

Russia has already informed the Chinese that the copying of the Su-27 is a violation of the interstate agreement and by the way in 1996 the Chinese signed the agreement so still they can not break the agreement under your own logic, it has only passed 12 years;)

By the way Rosoboronexport does report the news and they take an article from Pravda

http://www.roe.ru/news/lenty/lenta_08_04_24.html

Россия должна задуматься над утечкой технологий в Китай
Правда.Ру. 24.04.2008.
Россия официально уведомила Китай, что производство нового китайского истребителя J11B является нарушением прежних договоренностей, поскольку самолет представляет собой копию российского Су-27СК. В 1996 году Россия и Китай подписали соглашение, по которому китайцы должны были производить на заводе SAC в Шеньяне “отверточную” сборку 200 истребителей Су-27СК, китайский вариант – J-11B.
Однако производство лицензионных J-11/Су-27СК было прекращено в ноябре 2004 года, после получения 95 самолетокомплектов. Официально китайская сторона объяснила односторонний выход из соглашения ограниченными боевыми возможностям самолета. В 2007 году Китай продемонстрировал первые образцы модели J11B – полную копию Су-27СМК.
По информации китайцев, эти самолеты на 90% состоят из компонентов, произведенных в Китае, оснащены собственным радаром и другим оборудованием. По сути китайские самолеты являются пиратской копией российских. В 2007 году Китай занял второе место в рейтинге крупнейших импортеров российских вооружений. Объем поставок российской продукции военного назначения в Китай составил $1,366 миллиарда долларов.
Это не первый конфликт между китайским и российским оружейным бизнесом. Купив у российской фирмы “Фазотрон-НИИР” пару радаров для истребителей, китайцы спустя некоторое время начали без лицензии штамповать точную копию этого изделия. Таким же пиратским образом китайцы наладили выпуск реактивной системы залпового огня “Смерч”, РЛС морского базирования “Фрегат” и автомат Калашникова.
Надо отметить, что авиационная составляющая в портфеле заказов “Рособоронэкспорта” по стоимости превышает все прочие вместе взятые. Экспортный вариант Су-27СК, который уже зарекомендовал себя в качестве эффективной системы вооружения, отвечающей требованиям потенциальных заказчиков. Он создан на базе разработанного в ОКБ “Сухой” истребителя Су-27, одного из лучших в своем классе, лидера по экспортным поставкам среди российских боевых самолетов.

Russia should think about the diversion of technology to China
Правда.Ру. 24.04.2008.
Russia officially informed China that the production of new Chinese fighter J11B is a violation of previous agreements, since the aircraft is a copy of the Russian Su-27SK. In 1996, Russia and China signed an agreement under which the Chinese were to produce at a factory in SAC Shenyane “otvertochnuyu” (license) assembly of 200 Su-27SK fighters, the Chinese version – J-11B.
However, the production license J-11 / Su-27SK was terminated in November 2004, after receiving 95 aircraft sets. Officially, the Chinese side explained the unilateral withdrawal from the agreement limited combat aircraft capabilities. In 2007, China has demonstrated the first model samples J11B – a full copy of Su-27SMK.
According to the Chinese, these aircraft by 90% consist of the components produced in China, equipped with its own radar and other equipment. In fact, the Chinese planes were Russian pirated copy. In 2007, China took the second place in the ranking of the largest importers of Russian weapons. The volume of deliveries of Russian products for military use to China amounted to $ 1366 billion dollars.
This is not the first conflict between the Chinese and Russian arms business. Having bought from the Russian company “Fazotron-NIIR” a couple of radars for fighter planes, the Chinese began to take some time without a license stamp exact copy of this product. In the same way the Chinese have developed a pirate issue multiple-launch rocket systems “Smerch”, sea-based radars “Frigate” and Kalashnikovs.
It is worth noting that the aviation component in the portfolio of orders “Rosoboronexport” by value exceeds all others combined. Export version of Su-27SK, which already has proven itself as an effective weapons systems, satisfying the requirements of potential customers. He established on the basis of which EDO “Sukhoi” Su-27 fighter, one of the best in its class, the leader of exports among Russian combat aircraft.

Военно-техническое сотрудничество России с иностранными государствами.
Международное военное сотрудничество
Подозрительный аналог
РУССКИЕ “СУШКИ” ПО-КИТАЙСКИ
Независимая Газета. 22.04.2008. /Виктор Мясников/.
Пекин становится крупнейшим экспортером оружия за счет приобретенных у Москвы технологий
Попытки России закрепиться на китайском рынке вооружений с помощью передачи Пекину «отверточной» сборки истребителей Су-27СК не оправдали ожиданий. Освоив технологию выпуска, Китай наладил собственное производство их аналогов с прицелом на последующий экспорт в страны третьего мира. Россия официально уведомила Китай о том, что производство истребителей J11, копирующих российский Су-27СК, является нарушением межгосударственных договоренностей. Москва пообещала приступить к юридическим процедурам защиты интеллектуальной собственности.
Последние два года военно-техническое сотрудничество РФ и КНР испытывает трудности. По зарубежным данным, экспорт вооружений из России в Китай снизился на 62%, а новые контракты не заключаются. Содержание военно-технического сотрудничества с КНР в настоящее время ограничивается лишь исполнением ранее подписанных контрактов, сумма которых составляет около 1,8 млрд. долл. При этом Пекин долгое время был основным покупателем российской военной продукции. Сейчас он сам превращается в крупного экспортера вооружений, главным образом созданных на основе российских образцов и лицензий. Такая ситуация не соответствуют интересам российского оборонно-промышленного комплекса.
Подозрительный аналог
Россия получила конкурента на рынке оружия там, где не ожидала. Более того, она сама его вырастила. Китай уже много лет наводняет мир своими аналогами автомата Калашникова и реактивными установками залпового огня, скопированными с российских «Града» и «Смерча». В этом же ряду пулеметы, гранатометы, самоходные артиллерийские установки и танки. Они, может, похуже качеством, зато гораздо дешевле российских оригиналов. Однако авиарынок отличается другим порядком цен. 150 истребителей для Пакистана – 2,3 млрд. долл. Это больше, чем Китай может выручить, торгуя сухопутными вооружениями несколько лет подряд. Более того, он может полностью вытеснить Россию с авиационного рынка стран третьего мира, включая таких традиционных покупателей, как Ангола, Эфиопия, Сирия, Иран.
По соглашению, подписанному в 1996 году, Китай имел право на «отверточную» сборку 200 истребителей Су-27СК под местным наименованием J11. Но, получив 95 комплектов деталей, 180 двигателей АЛ31Ф и все необходимое оборудование, партнеры из Поднебесной в ноябре 2004 года заявили, что больше не нуждаются в российских технологических комплектующих для сборки Су-27. Официально было заявлено, что боевые возможности истребителя оказались слишком ограниченными. Однако переговоры по этому вопросу могут быть возобновлены позднее, а пока в Китае заняты анализом своего производственного опыта.
Анализ, похоже, прошел успешно, поскольку уже в начале 2007 года Китай представил свою «разработку» – истребитель J11В, подозрительно напоминающий Су-27.
Прервав контракт, Китай тем не менее продолжал закупать двигатели АЛ31Ф и некоторые другие узлы «для ремонта» имеющихся Су-27. Тем временем авиазавод в Шеньяне начал выпуск J11B. На запрос российской стороны последовал ответ: J11B – самостоятельная разработка, поскольку его габариты меньше, чем у J11. Однако эксперты утверждают: J11B – это абсолютная имитация Су-27СК.
Первая информация о китайской копии Су-27 появилась на авиасалоне «Чжухай-2006». Из экспозиции было понятно, что китайцы освоили производство 80% комплектующих. Сейчас они утверждают, что уже 90% деталей и агрегат производят сами. Единственной проблемой остается двигатель. Однако лицензию на изготовление АЛ31Ф им не продали даже за очень большие деньги. Обычные закупки двигателей тоже сильно ограничены, а сейчас, похоже, и вовсе прекращены. Еще один проблемный агрегат – локатор «Жук», который экспортировался в Китай в несколько урезанном виде по боевым возможностям.
Особое раздражение Москвы вызывает тот факт, что соглашение 1996 года не разрешало экспортировать J11 в другие страны, однако Пекин как раз занят поиском рынков сбыта за рубежом для этого самолета и другой своей военной продукции. И первый в очереди на покупку – Пакистан. Китай уже обмолвился как-то, что намерен выпустить порядка 5000 истребителей J11B. Главным образом для продажи в страны третьего мира. А поскольку цена китайского аналога ощутимо меньше, чем у российского оригинала, есть риск, что он вытеснит с мирового рынка все остальные самолеты этого ценового диапазона – не только Су-27, но и МиГ-29, и американский F-16.
Старые грабли

Nezavisimaya Gazeta. 22.04.2008. / Viktor Myasnikov.
Beijing has become the largest exporter of arms from technology acquired from Moscow
Attempts to Russia gaining a foothold on the Chinese market through the transfer of weapons to Beijing “otvertochnoy” assembly of Su-27SK fighters fell short of expectations. Mance technology issue, China has developed its own production of their counterparts with a view to the subsequent export to third world countries. Russia officially informed China that manufacture fighter J11, copied the Russian Su-27SK, is a violation of interstate agreements. Moscow promised to begin legal procedures to protect intellectual property.
The last two years of military-technical cooperation of Russia and China is experiencing difficulties. According to foreign data, the export of weapons from Russia to China fell by 62%, while new contracts are not. Contents of military-technical cooperation with China is currently limited to the execution of previously signed contracts, an amount of about 1.8 billion U.S. In doing so, Beijing has long been the main buyer of Russian military products. Now he himself becomes a major exporter of weapons, mainly based on Russian designs and licenses. Such a situation does not correspond to the interests of the Russian military-industrial complex.
Suspicious analogue
Russia has received arms competitor in the market where it is not anticipated. Moreover, she herself him grow. China for many years flood the world their analogues Kalashnikov and rocket launchers rocket fire, copied from the Russian “Grad” and “Smerch”. In the same range machine guns, grenade launchers, self-installation artillery and tanks. They may, worse quality, but much cheaper Russian originals. However aviarynok different manner to other prices. 150 fighter jets to Pakistan – 2.3 billion U.S. This is more than China can be generated, arms trading land for several years in succession. Moreover, it may completely oust Russia from aviation market of third world countries, including traditional buyers such as Angola, Ethiopia, Syria, Iran.
Under the agreement, signed in 1996, China had the right to “otvertochnuyu” assembly of 200 Su-27SK fighters under local named J11. But, having received 95 sets of parts, 180 engines AL31F and all necessary equipment, partners from Celestial in November 2004 stated that no longer need the Russian technological components to assemble Su-27. Officially, it was stated that the combat capabilities fighters were too limited. However, negotiations on this issue could be resumed later, but in China are busy analysing their productive experience.
The analysis, it seems, was a success, since early in the year 2007 China introduced its “develop” – In fighter J11, suspiciously reminiscent of Su-27.
Suspended contract, China nevertheless continued to buy AL31F engines and some other nodes “to repair” the existing Su-27. Meanwhile, aviation began in Shenyane Issue J11B. At the request was followed by the Russian side responded: J11B – self-development, since its dimensions smaller than J11. However, the experts argue: J11B – this is absolute imitation of Su-27SK.
The first copy of the Chinese Su-27 appeared on the Air “Zhuhai-2006”. Of the exhibition was understandable that the Chinese have mastered the production of 80% of accessories. They now claim that already 90% of parts and assemblies produce themselves. The only problem remains the engine. However, a license to manufacture AL31F they were not sold even for a very large amount of money. Normal purchase engines also severely limited, but now, it seems, and stopped altogether. Another problem Layout – Locator “Beetle”, which is exported to China in a few truncated form of combat capabilities.
Of particular irritation of Moscow is the fact that the 1996 agreement did not allow J11 export to other countries, but Beijing is just busy looking for markets abroad for this aircraft and its other military goods. And the first in the queue to buy – Pakistan. China has already mention as something that intends to issue approximately 5000 fighters J11B. Mainly for sale in third world countries. And because the price of Chinese analogue appreciably lower than that of the Russian original, there is a risk that he T.sonic world market with all the other planes of the price range – not only the Su-27, but the MiG-29, and American F-16.
Old rake
http://www.roe.ru/news/lenty/lenta_08_04_22.html

it looks like 80’s ATF design speculation.

I don’t want to state much as I’m not much on topp of these things anymore, but those 3 images look like Russians testing YF-22/F22 design. They do this with every US radical design and try to gather info or ideas. Who wouldn’t ..

, but this design looks soo fricked GOOD !! Too good to be true though:p
I hope thats the one !

It seems that configuration is the most accepted as the most accurate configuration you can see in this page of ARMTASS the same configurationhttp://www.arms-tass.su/?page=article&aid=53982&cid=24

all modern airliners use suppliers from around the world. Which airliner doesn’t? Why does ARJ-21 need to be different?

How is J-11B a stain if it’s simply SAC’s move to 100% localization?

Man sometimes is like talking to a wall, please understand, the Su-27 aka J-11 is not a chinese design, it employs a russian model that costed money to the Russians and that Russia has all the right to say how many Su-27 can be produced in china if China breaks the contract its simply treasoning Russia as simple as that.

China has no right over the J-11 beyond what is stipulated in the contract.

It is a stain because other manufacturers are looking what is happening in China and are unwilling to lose Money to Chinese frauds, Bombardier chose mexico for that reason they are building now jet aircraft in Mexico and originally they wanted to do it in China but these swindles made them change their mind

So you’re repeating the same report irrelevant to the topic at hand? Is that all you can think off? I’ll ask you, did all these deals make a big bump to improve Mexico’s GDP and trade balance? Mexico always had traditional advantages trading with the US with its proximity, none of it really mattered when China overtook it and everyone else to become the US biggest trading partner.

Now again, show me what the Russians are going to do explicitely over the Sukhoi issue. I mean real action. Court case. Which court. etc,.. Not the usual hot gas.

For you is irrelavant because you want to ignore a big consecuence the report says Mexico, he says, is most competitive in products with a high weight-to-value ratio, such as motor vehicles, auto parts, large-screen TVs, and major household appliances. It is also strong where quality or intellectual property protection are important,

When intellectual protection is important, so why do you think Bombardier went to Mexico?

in reality China has a stronger aerospace industry, cheaper salaries but more risks in terms of intelectual protection.

this is where you do not want to see China will lose, China already is losing because of that, who will be the winners? other nations simply China is losing investment and this means Jobs.

The Russians already have reported to China their disatisfaction with the J-11B, those are not opinions but facts reported by the Russian Media, simply see this the Sukhoi-Shenyang was an interguvernamental deal as such is solve by the interguvernmanental agencies if not probably Sukhoi might use international agencies.

http://www.memagazine.org/jan08/features/mexicore/mexicore.html

Your reports are not reports but mere opinions, opinions that have been destroyed by more knowledgeable and educated people. Really what predictions have you made that has come up with the test of time. China losing market?How is that so? Wary about making deals, LOL, a Russian manufacturer is now coproducting helicopters in China just recently, so even your so called reports are against you.

What about the western manufactures? Bombardier simply said no China has too much risks lets go to Mexico, several british manufactures Chose mexico instead of China, Russia granted the license for the Su-30MKI to Indian and gave a less advanced fighter to China.

Britain for years forced the Chinese to comply when licensing the Spey engine, Grumman claimed Tiananmen event was enought to cancel the transfer of technology to China.

Several US news agencies report the Z-10 Helicopter has an engine from Canada Illegally purchased

State Department spokesman Karl Duckworth said information was being gathered before deciding whether to take any action. “We are reviewing the matter and have no further comments at this time,” he said.
http://www.exportlawblog.com/archives/date/2007/10/

October 15, 2005
Bombardier Aerospace eyes India, Mexico and China as Outsource destinations
The need to cut costs is hitting almost every industry, and the aerospace industry is no different. Bombardier Aerospace is considering outsourcing of business processes to India, China, and Mexico. India is the beneficiary of Bombardier’s technical publications functions, but this has resulted in the loss of 79 jobs, including 12 in Wichita.

Mexico could possibly get the electrical harness assignment from Bombardier. This again could result in loss of existing jobs in Bombardier’s home territory. The Mexico preference is prompted by similar moves from Raytheon Aircraft Co. and Cessna Aircraft Co
http://www.blogsource.org/2005/10/bombardier_aero.html