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  • in reply to: Bombardeir building aircraft plant in Mexico #543830
    MiG-23MLD
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    GE Energy encourages research by Mexicans

    2008-03-20

    Mexico City- Last generation airplane turbines and components for
    the energy industry are designed and manufactured every day by
    Mexican engineers in GE Energy plant in Queretaro, to be sold all
    over the world.

    According to Giovanni Alloy, the Company General Director, they
    are willing to put their money in Mexican engineers and will
    therefore expand their design center which currently employs one
    thousand 50 engineers, so that 50 engineers more work there by the
    beginning of 2010.

    it is the largest Engineering Center in the world and the only one
    GE has in Latin America・ Alloy pointed-out and further said that
    half of the plant works on the technological developments for the
    energy industry and the other half on aerospace industry.

    The energy area is focused on the development of technology related
    to combined cycles, renewable resources, Aeolian energy and nuclear
    reactors; only in this area there are five Mexican engineers. In
    aviation, engineers work on the development and design of airplane
    turbines such as those operating in Aeromexico and Interjet
    airplanes.

    In the Queretaro Center the Company designs, together with Boeing,
    an engine that will be assembled in a 787, which among other things
    will provide for 20% fuel savings.

    The arrival of GE to Queretaro was two decades ago, when together
    with other partnerships they established a center where engineering
    was developed for General Electric with 70 specialists.

    Source: El Norte

    source http://www.maquilaportal.com/cgi-bin/public/board.pl?klie=4

    http://www.queretaro.gob.mx/noticias/imagenes/oraleg.gif

    in reply to: Bombardeir building aircraft plant in Mexico #543834
    MiG-23MLD
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    Aerospace Industry generates 16 thousand 500 jobs and includes 10
    companies in the field, ranking third in Mexico with the largest
    number of companies operating in this sector the Ministry of
    Industrial Development informed.

    In a press release, the Ministry states that there are 10 more
    companies in this sector considering the idea to establish new
    production projects. Even if the number of jobs generated by this
    sector in the State has practically doubled in recent years, it is
    still a small portion compared to the total number of jobs in the
    Mexican exports-assembly industry, which generates 1.2 million jobs.

    The Ministry of Industrial Development pointed-out that the State
    Government fosters a new aerospace cluster in Chihuahua, for this is
    an industry with high growth all over the world, and promotes
    industrial scaling towards a capital and technology intensive
    sector, which requires more personnel with technical and
    professional degrees.

    The companies already established in the State of Chihuahua are:
    Honeywell Aerospace, which manufactures turbines for Boeing 737;
    Labinal Safran Group, which works in harnesses manufacturing,
    engineering and design; SGI-Electro Switch, which operates in the
    electronic sector. There are also Textron Cessna, which produces
    harnesses; Aersoan that works in metallic structures field; Cambrian
    Industries in machined area; Capsonic Automotive & Aerospace that
    produces parts for turbines. Another company is Hawker Beechcraft
    Corporation, Zodiac which manufactures emergency products and Air
    Crussiers.

    Among the companies established in Chihuahua Hawker Beechcraft
    Corporation stands out for its impact and investment, it is the
    first aircraft assembler that arrived in Chihuahua and the second in
    Mexico, and therefore the State has a very good position and is
    taking important steps towards the consolidation of the aeronautic
    sector. This Company has the project to assemble King Air airplanes
    in the State in four years.

    There is also Labinal Safran Group which has around three years in
    the State and which currently employs three thousand people; in a
    short time they have opened two plants in different industrial
    parks.

    In addition to this investment this Company will install in
    Chihuahua City its third Airplane Parts Design Center in the world;
    they already have one in France and another one in the United
    States.

    Source: El Diario de Cd. de Juarez
    http://www.maquilaportal.com/cgi-bin/public/board.pl?klie=1

    Seems like beechcraft will also build aircraft in mexico

    http://www.daystarair.net/images/king_air1.jpg

    in reply to: Argentina and Brazil to develop nuclear submarine #2082433
    MiG-23MLD
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    Well if Argentina got so close in the 1980s why haven’t I seen any Argentina nuke subs 20 years on? If I’m so ignorant of south Americas ability to build a nuclear submarine please enlighten me with facts, details which are backed up by sources. These facts and details will need to have direct connection with nuclear submarine design, development, expertise, manufacture and sustainability. Please I do not want pointless worthless pictures of planes because there the opposite of submarines they maybe technologically advanced but still the opposite…. Also I will say for sake of not having an argument that Brazil can afford it. I’m more concerned with time-scale and the quality of the boats when produced. Go on teach me!

    Tras la Guerra de las Malvinas, el titular de la CNEA, vicealmirante Carlos Castro Madero, en forma reservada puso en marcha la idea de construir un submarino a propulsión nuclear como una forma de cerrar la brecha tecnológica con Gran Bretaña.

    After the falklands war, the vice almirant Carlos Castro Madero started the idea of developing a nuclear submarine to close the technological gap with the UK
    http://www.defesanet.com.br/imagens/argentina/san_luis.jpg

    Argentina tried to install a nuclear reactor to a conventional diesel submarine like this one, “the San Juan”.

    A FLOTE. EN UN SUBMARINO CON MOTORES DIESEL COMO EL ‘SAN JUAN’ SE QUISO PONER, DURANTE LA GESTION DE ALFONSIN, UN REACTOR NUCLEAR COMPACTO. (Foto: DYN)

    Carlos madero`s project was given to the INVAP by the Argentine navy, the INVAP is the same reseach center that builds the (KAREM) nuclear reactor for Australia.

    The Nuclear reactor design was headed by Juan José Gil Gerbino, we did work to build a compact nuclear reactor like the San Juan

    proyecto de Castro Madero fue encargado por la Armada a INVAP, la misma empresa que construye el reactor de investigación nuclear para Australia. El diseño del reactor para el submarino estuvo a cargo del físico Juan José Gil Gerbino. “Trabajamos en el diseño básico para colocar un reactor compacto en un submarino como el San Juan”,

    La idea de especialistas argentinos de incluir en el casco del submarino, que actualmente se construye en la Argentina, una planta nuclear de diseño apropiado es factible

    The idea of argentine researches of fitting a nuclear reactor in the hull of a conventional submarine is totally feasible

    http://www.clarin.com/suplementos/zona/2005/09/18/z-03801.htm

    if you want to know why they have not built it well simply economics, not a lack of technology as you suppose, in fact both the Karem and ARAMAR nuclear reactors were made as powerplants for nuclear submarines

    complejo que hasta el año 1994, manejó la Armada. En la época de Menem, las instalaciones quedaron prácticamente abandonadas y si bien es cierto que estaba montado desde la década del 80, JAMAS fabricamos allí el submarino nuclear con el que habían soñado varios gobiernos argentinos tras la segunda guerra mundial.

    This shipyard that until the 1994 was managed by the Argentine Navy.

    During the Menem administration the shipyard was abandoned and left to rust, if it is true that since the 1980s it was in operation, we never built there the nuclear submarine that several argentine governments had dreamt with

    Lo único que recordaba es que hace algunos años, Cristina Fernández de Kirchner, estuvo allí ufanándose por la puesta en marcha de los astilleros SPI, que con 25 años de trayectoria en Mar del Plata, recalaban en Buenos Aires para ocupar una gran porción del edificio principal que fuera construido por los alemanes en la década del 80, para fabricar nada más y nada menos que un submarino NUCLEAR.

    The only thing i can recall is that several years ago Cristina Fernández de Kirchner was trying to reopen the shipyards SPI that have a history of 25 years in Mar del Plata that were built in great part to house a nuclear submarine by German naval engineers

    http://www.laopinionsemanario.com.ar/?tpl=noticias&nid=4466&eid=92

    in reply to: Argentina and Brazil to develop nuclear submarine #2082527
    MiG-23MLD
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    Brazil is fourth largest assembler? China is now the world Second largest Auto assembler in less 20 years. Russia heli/Military jets numbers per year still surpass Brazil.

    Those western Suppliers has to collobrate with Russians. they dont have direct subsidiaries like in Brazil supplying to Embarer.

    Yeah good for the Chinese, however Embraer is the forth largest civil aircraft maker in the world.

    man good for the Russians too but in the case of Brazil they have had to bring Mitsubishi`s wing manufacturing to Brazil to reduce costs, that is good, any way star49, Brazil will continue advancing and still sells more civil aircraft than Tupolev, Sukhoi and Illyushin.

    You like it or not Brazil is paying the research and development of the ERJ-145 and E-170 families and still has more than 1000 aircraft to build in the new future including options, at least 400 firm orders and a minimun of 1000 options

    in reply to: Argentina and Brazil to develop nuclear submarine #2082535
    MiG-23MLD
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    Embrarer has rolled out thousands planes & still it is learning? it is mean it is not learning. u need to roll out couple of planes to learn every thing for those who understand.

    Russia is understating the statistics. it will scare the world if truth comes out & there will be fear of take over of natural resources & all strategic industries.

    This is pretty much useless press release. u should understand the difference between subsidiaries & own intellectual potential.

    Man please do not make me laugh, building an aircraft industry from a propeller aircraft in the 1960s to the fourth largest aircraft maker in 30 Years even surpassing Russia in sales means you are learning too fast, however realities of aircraft construction means Embraer builds not all the aircraft, Embraer needs partners, however the next generation of aircraft will have a higher content of parts made in Brazil.

    from this

    http://www.kjevik.dk/sp05/OY-BHT.jpg

    to the E-195 in less than 30 years

    http://www.revistafatorbrasil.com.br/imagens/fotos/embraer_195

    No one is saying Brazil makes everything, niether all the design was done in Brazil, so your game of in Russia they build everything is not logic because the latest Superjet has European and American technology too

    in reply to: Argentina and Brazil to develop nuclear submarine #2082611
    MiG-23MLD
    Participant

    An interesting fact that Moscow has on average the most expensive hotels in the world is this a sign of wealth? source http://www.guardian.co.uk/travel/2008/mar/16/hottopic.bulgaria . Please could you stop posting pictures of pointless pictures of industry which shows no indication on Brazil’s ability to build a nuclear submarine the exception being pictures of Naval reactors and Brazilian “constructed” submarines not “assembled”. I think that your idea of 10 years from first steel cut to in service a bit ambitious considering that first steel cut for HMS Astute was in 1999 but she probably wont be in service until 2009. Considering how much trouble the Chinese had with the Han class I think its quite obvious that it would take longer than 10 years from design to in service. Another thing is pictures of poverty which are pointless I could easily get a picture of homeless people in the UK or any other country so they are pointless.

    Frosty

    The only reason i have shown you the nuclear reactors and submarines built in Brazil is too show you, you are ignorant of even of the basics in Brazil`s submarine technology, no one here even showed the ARAMAR nuclear reactor, niether has an Idea of the Karem Argentine reactor.

    Probably you are unaware of how close Argentina was of a nuclear submarine in the 1980s, your ignorance of the technology in South america makes you think it will take so long, it is not true, Brazil can have a nuclear submarine operational in less than 25 years, and the technology it will have will be updated, it might not be the best submarine but it will be a good one.

    in reply to: Argentina and Brazil to develop nuclear submarine #2082614
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    I told u Brazil is not building anything it is merely assembling it. So no point in for comparision. And Russian Wealth statistics are outdated. They dont want to update it otherwise it will scare the West. compare Moscow/ST.Petersubrg real estate to London/Tokoyo/Paris. It is no less than that. Brazil is not even in competition.

    Yeah yeah yeah Star49, let us analize the situation, number one i have never said Brazil builds the E-170 totally in brazil or designed everything, Embraer is basicly learning how to build aircraft, true some of the manufacturing has been taken to Brazil such as Mitsubishi`s wings, however brazil is making money and learning.

    Now Moscow is not Russia, Moscow and Saint Petersburg, are two cities, expensive true, but the russian far east is not rich, niether some hinterland cities, to be expensive it does not mean every body makes money, you are even fantasizing Russia hides the statistics, it is not true, the Russian population is shrinking and men still live less than 58 years in average.

    Russia is trying to rebuild its aircraft industry, i do not deny that, but so far Embraer builds more and sells more and basicly they are learning to make more parts each time in Brazil, in fact a great part of the fuselage of the E-170 family is built in Brazil now and was designed in Brazil too.

    EMBRAER 170 PROGRAMME

    The 170/190 regional jet family is being developed through a partnership program with major aerospace contractors, involving 16 risk-sharing partners and 22 main suppliers.

    Embraer is responsible for the design and development of the aircraft, manufacture of the forward fuselage, fuselage centre section II, wing-to-fuselage fairings, wing assembly and whole aircraft integration. Other companies responsible for structural sections of the aircraft include Kawasaki Heavy Industries from Japan, Sonaca of Belgium, Latécoère of France and Gamesa of Spain.

    “Assembly of the Embraer 170 is being carried out in a dedicated newly constructed 16,000m² facility.”The US-based C&D Aerospace is supplying the passenger cabin and cargo compartment interiors of the aircraft.

    The main system partners include General Electric (engines and nacelles), Hamilton Sundstrand (tail cone, auxiliary power unit, air management and electrical systems), Honeywell (avionics), Parker of the USA (hydraulics, flight control, fuel system) and Liebherr of Germany (landing gear). These companies have created subsidiaries in Brazil for the local manufacture of parts.

    Assembly of the Embraer 170 is being carried out in a dedicated newly constructed 16,000m² facility, which has the capacity for eight aircraft under construction. A 4,000m² painting hangar has also been installed.

    http://www.aerospace-technology.com/projects/embraer_170/

    in reply to: Argentina and Brazil to develop nuclear submarine #2082875
    MiG-23MLD
    Participant

    What’s more ironic is there’s plenty of poverty in the US and they spend the MOST money on weapons.

    Not to mention, you shouldn’t throw around the word impoverished without actually knowing how to use it correctly.

    Sorry for my spelling of the word impoverished.

    Any way that is what i like about Brazil`s Embraer and the VLS program Brazil has focused more its energy into civil uses of high tech, and making money rather than piling up weponry that will rust after many years.

    Also the deal that Argentina and Brazil stroke was to create Civil nuclear plants to generate electricity for the Mercosur countries.

    Also Brazil has a GDP as big as the Russian one but also spends less in weapons slightly more than a half of what Russia spends, and a single Submarine does not compare to the many Submarines Russia wants to build.

    the Brazilian nuclear submarine program also advances at a slower pace simply because they pour less money into it.

    In many ways Brazil is not as militaristic as Russia is, if it is true that in some areas Brazil is behind i see a better influence in the world of the brazilian economy than the ultramilitaristic Russia policies of selling weapons.

    Embraer and Sukhoi reflect both nations very well, Russia wants to still sell more weapons that civil products, see Sukhoi sells mostly Flankers while brazil mostly E-170 and ERJ-145 aircraft even despite Russia can build aircraft as powerful as the A-340 or Boeing 757.

    Russia is by no means a nation with high standards of living and you can see it simply because every year there are less russians living in their own country and the Russian population is shrinking

    in reply to: Argentina and Brazil to develop nuclear submarine #2082881
    MiG-23MLD
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    Damn man, America is so poor!

    http://www.eontarionow.com/images/poor.jpg

    http://speakingoffaith.publicradio.org/programs/seeingpoverty/images/convention.jpg

    http://www.photographyblog.com/images/photo_of_the_week/28030405/Homeless%20Dinner.jpg

    Yeah, the picture strategy is amazing. :rolleyes:

    ROFL…

    What Jungleboy has pointed out it is correct, he has mentioned that despite Brazil has a relatively good industry, there is still poverty, real one, where children are homeless and street children abound, how can you think a nation will have a future if its youth is in poverty how those street children will develop high tech?

    http://www.armscontrol.ru/atmtc/Arms_systems/Navy/Submarine/941_Typhoon.jpg

    he is right specially when he mentions real aspects about the poverty in Brazil, Brazil is trying to build a nuclear submarine and still in some parts of Brazil poverty is endemic, in Russia also is similar, they spend large amounts of money when still in some aspects poverty affects a great part of the Russian population.

    Both countries have developed an stratety to coupe with the competing international situation for trade and commerce, this implies to have more domestic technology, Brazil also has developed nuclear reactors that eventually can be used to generate electricity and at the long run power a submarine, however since technology has dual uses you can have a nuclear powered submarine and a nuclear reactor generating cheap electricity for a city like Buenos Aires or Rio do Janeiro.

    you can have a VLS to launch telecommunications satellites or use it to carry a nuclear warhead

    However it is an irony that many empoverished nations spend large amounts of money in weapons and still have street children and homeless people

    in reply to: Argentina and Brazil to develop nuclear submarine #2082967
    MiG-23MLD
    Participant

    Sukhoi SSJ was started when Sukhoi didnot had government support. so they have to look for international risk sharing partners. Still all Design, testing, Engine is done inside Russia. Why they are not calling western suppliers for this new project? where is Embarer strategy now?. What do u think about Tu-204SM?

    what about sales

    now let us see the numbers of Embraer

    Firm orders of ERJ-145 family 915 aircraft, delivered 869, firm orders back log 46

    Firm orders E-170 family 764 aircraft delivered 334 firm orders backlog 438 options 917

    source http://www.embraer.com/english/conte…er_numeros.asp firm order backlog USD $18.6 billion

    in reply to: Argentina and Brazil to develop nuclear submarine #2082995
    MiG-23MLD
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    Embarer does not have effective business strategy. If Russians were in business of assembling products based on foreign parts than they much better places to invest money. u should understand that Russian wealth like Isrealis is now Global so u have to look at Cyprus/London/Dubai etc. they are more interested in this kind of business.

    This Embarer is a JOKE if u consider it is as business. Any Russian billionaire can buy it with a personal check. Only $7.6 Market cap. Market cap reflects its ability of future earnings.

    Embarer is not even in the race let alone loosing it.:rolleyes: . It does not have any intellectual foundation. Just assembly line workers buit with German/japanese industrial machines. Avaiantion for Russians have different meaning not just money.

    Star49

    here a few data that will show you the reality of Russian civil aviation

    MOSCOW, January 24 (RIA Novosti) – Russia will have to give up the production of Il-96 large-body planes for airlines with routes of up to 11,000 km (6,835 miles), the industry and energy minister said on Thursday.

    so they have a good aircraft but they do not sell it

    and later you say they do not use Embraer startegy or are they?

    The SuperJet-100 project is a family of medium-range passenger aircraft developed by the Sukhoi design bureau in cooperation with major American and European aviation corporations, including Boeing, Snecma, Thales, Messier Dowty, Liebherr Aerospace, and Honeywell.

    http://en.rian.ru/russia/20080124/97649633.html

    see the reality

    The civil aviation program for 1992-2000 envisaged the construction of 145 Il-96-300 aircraft. However at present moment less than 20 aircraft have been built under this program. Nowday the plant has orders for 21 Il-96 type aircraft. Negotiations are under way with China, Zimbabwe, Iran and Syria.
    Source: “Interfax” news agency, August 8, 2006

    http://www.rosprom.gov.ru/en/news.php?id=2493

    so as you can see few aircraft are building

    At present, the company has begun manufacturing components and units for 5 Il-96-400 aircraft that could be delivered to,, and other countries at a later date. Also, top management at aviation leasing company Ilyushin Finance Corporation are currently in talks with the Chinese airfreight company Silk Route Cargo Airlift Company Ltd. regarding the delivery of 8 Il-96-400T cargo planes. Besides the Il-96, VACO is engaged on the production

    http://www.antanta-research.ru/Article.aspx?ArticleID=2071&LanguageID=1033

    Eight or ten Tu-204 will be built in 2008 a very large number do not you think?

    Ульяновское ЗАО “Авиастар-СП” планирует выпустить в 2008 г. до 8-10 самолетов семейства Ту-204

    http://www.aviaport.ru/news/2008/02/26/144992.html

    MOSCOW — Russia plans to sell up to 100 passenger jets to Iran in what would be the largest such deal ever for Russia’s aviation industry, an official said Tuesday. Russian news reports put the cost of the deal at up to $2.5 billion.

    A contract is expected to be signed later this year and delivery of Tupolev Tu-204 and Tu-214 airliners could begin next year, said Maxim Sysoyev, a spokesman for Russia’s state-controlled United Aircraft Corporation.

    The twin-engine Tu-204 and its Tu-214 version were designed in the late 1980s to compete with Boeing’s 757, but just a few dozen of the planes have been built.

    so far so good Star49 russia is uncapable to compete with Embraer and Bombardier

    http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/nationworld/2004261110_russair05.html

    now let us see the numbers of Embraer

    Firm orders of ERJ-145 family 915 aircraft, delivered 869, firm orders back log 46

    Firm orders E-170 family 764 aircraft delivered 334 firm orders backlog 438 options 917

    sourcehttp://www.embraer.com/english/content/imprensa/embraer_numeros.asp

    firm order backlog USD $18.6 billion

    in reply to: Argentina and Brazil to develop nuclear submarine #2082999
    MiG-23MLD
    Participant

    Russia isn´t in this situation. You´re missinformed about Russia. And on the ohter hand we have Brazil with poverty, ignorance and without weapons.

    Good pictures of “The Country Of The Future”.

    http://fatosefotos.com/cot005.jpg

    http://www.sindromedeestocolmo.com/fotos/pobreza.jpg

    http://www.consciencia.net/2006/0115-lixao-belford-roxo5.jpg

    http://www.defesacivil.gov.br/imagens/capacitacao/pobreza.jpg

    Would you like some more?

    Are those children supose to build nuclear submarines and even space crafts to Brazil?

    http://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/library/news/russia/2000/russia/8-1.gif

    It´s a very interesting picture but it was taken in 1998.

    It´s reflects better standards of living.

    The currenty russia GPD Per capita is $14,600 against $9,700 of Brazil. Those are 2007 numbers.

    the GDP per capita does not reflect the wealth of a Nation, unless it has a high HDI

    That is the reason you can not see that despite Cuba has a low GDP per capita has a higher HDI than Russia.
    Mexico and Chile also have lower GDPs than Russia and both Have higher Human Developmen Indexes, the GDP PPP per
    capita does not mean every one makes that money simply means under the dollar value and local prices the industrial production or GDP however the HDI means the quality of life and the living standards of a nation; in 2007 Russia has a HDI of 0.81 and Brazil of 0.80, the living standards in Russia are similar simply because in Russia there is an oligachy and a terrible wealth distribution as it happens in latin america
    Homelesss women in russia
    http://www.theglobalist.com/photo/FaceHumanRights/image7.jpg
    http://www.theglobalist.com/dbweb/StoryId.aspx?StoryId=4535

    http://www.uniqueglobaltours.com/images/russia-homeless/homeless1.jpg
    http://www.uniqueglobaltours.com/tour3.html

    street kids in Russia

    http://www.vladmission.org/Street_Kids/street_kids_files/image004.jpg
    http://www.vladmission.org/Street_Kids/street_kids.htm

    Poverty as we all know also exist in Russia, worshiping weapons does not mean they are wealthy, in Russia weapons are worship but poverty still lingers, Embraer at least makes its revenue from mostly civil sales

    Russian street boy
    http://en.kindernothilfe.org/multimedia/kmdb/%5B002%5D/2872_307x378_307x378_123x14-width-307-height-378-view_image-1-called_by-knhfs-original_site--original_page-17.jpg

    http://en.kindernothilfe.org/en/Rubrik/Topics/Street+Children.html

    The Russian government estimates about two million Russian children are homeless

    http://archives.cnn.com/2001/fyi/news/07/02/russian.kids/index.html

    There are around 50,000 street children in Moscow

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/1780436.stm
    Young people represent almost half of all HIV infections worldwide. The HIV epidemic in Russia, one of the fastest growing in the world, is most heavily concentrated among the young: 80% of new HIV infections occur among people 15 to 30 years old. Street youth – young people who live on the street some or all of the time – constitute a group particularly at risk. Abandoned, abused, or neglected, they often organize into groups as they negotiate survival, performing odd jobs and engaging in activities that place them at risk for HIV, including transactional sex and drug use.
    Experts estimate there are 1 to 3 million street youth in Russia, with an estimated 10-16,000 in St. Petersburg alone

    http://streetkidnews.blogsome.com/category/1/europe-streetkid-news/russia-streetkid-news/

    So yeah that is one of the reason why Russia is not building weapons like before but still they have a higher military defence budget than Brazil

    With this do not misunderstand me i am not denying there is poverty in latin america, because we have it, simply that Russia is more or less in the level of Brazil and Mexico slightly better than Brazil and slightly worse than Mexico, there is unfortunely poverty and street kids in all these nations but it does not mean that Russia is paradise simply because it can build a Delta class submarine or a Typhoon class submarine

    In fact here are other data

    List by the International Monetary Fund (2007)
    Rank Country GDP (PPP) $m
    — World 72,337,649
    — European Union 14,953,057
    1 United States 13,543,330
    2 China 11,606,3361
    3 India 4,726,537
    4 Japan 4,346,080
    5 Germany 2,714,469
    6 United Kingdom 2,270,884
    7 France 2,040,109
    8 Brazil 2,013,893
    9 Russia 1,908,739
    10 Italy 1,888,492
    11 Spain 1,310,206
    12 South Korea 1,250,490
    13 Mexico 1,249,738
    14 Canada 1,217

    in reply to: Argentina and Brazil to develop nuclear submarine #2083042
    MiG-23MLD
    Participant

    They are merely assembling aircrafts from foreign parts. Embarer has practically nothig to with Brazil just like Volkswagen has nothing to do with China and Hyundai with India.
    Tu-204/IL-96/Tu-334/An-124-100M is built with 100% Russian intellectual property thats why they can sell whom ever they want. Embarer cannot built larger plane without Airbus/Boeing.

    Embraer is owned by Brazilian firms such as BOVESPA Previ, Sistel, Bozano Simonsen , the larger share of the company is brazilian, Embraer has some design input, limited yes but some design is made in Brazil, it is not problem to say Embraer has risks partners, Embraer has a more effective business strategy than Tupolev, why? well Embraer operates like Airbus, its aircraft are a composite of different companies.

    Do you think Embraer is loosing the race? no they are not, they are also starting to build under license the parts made by other countries in Brazil, now Mitsubishi builds the wings in Brazil, at the end what is better to say i make money or i build it but i hardly make money?

    in reply to: Argentina and Brazil to develop nuclear submarine #2083083
    MiG-23MLD
    Participant

    Mig-23MLD you are missing the whole point about what it takes to build and run a nuke sub. It takes a Extremely skilled team with a lot of experience in designing nuke subs just to get the designs done remember what problems BAE had with the Astute just because they had a few years break from building and designing them. Brazil also has a total lack of facilities for construction and looking after the subs. Then what about the crew there is a lot of differences between running a SSK and a SSN. I believe that Brazil if it really wanted to could build SSN but it would take a huge investment and about 30-40 years to see any decent results. Countries which build and operate nuclear submarines are not about to give technology transfers to Brazil unless they somehow become very good allies. This all seems like to much effort when the AIP submarines would fill the navy needs and I’m sure future AIP subs will be even better.

    30 to 40 years is a period too long to claim Brazil can have a decent submarine, Brazil and Argentina have now domestic nuclear reactors designed and built locally, i think the Brazilians could have a submarine design in less than 10 years and 20 years to have it operationally.

    Brazil started the nuclear submarine project in the 1980s, with German designed nuclear reactors, by the 1990s they started their own nuclear reactor designs, in 2005 they built and designed a research naval nuclear reactor.
    Since the late 1990s Brazil has built conventional German submarines under license, by 2005 they had a Submarine modified with brazilian technology, so Brazil is building at least a minimal naval manufacturing capability.

    Now let us suppose with Argentina they can build the technology to build an electricity generating nuclear reactor in 10 years to power their domestic naval nuclear submarine, to me in 15 years Brazil can have a nuclear submarine based up on the French Scorpene conventional submarine.

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    these are individual opinions. some may say Dubai/london are even better. but it has nothing to do with the topic or government resources to execute such things.

    If Embarer is so succesful why not it make larger plane like Airbus/Boeing. it has pretty much access to same supplier base. think over it. E-170 is clearly inferior product to Sukhoi SSJ but sales does not soley depends on product characteristics.

    Man ambraer currently builds aricraft in the size of the A-321 and B-737 and they are selling enough, more than any Tu-204 or Il-96

    Embraer sells ten E170 jets to Japan Airlines, with options for fivenews

    25 June 2007

    http://www.domain-b.com/aero/june/2007/20070625_embraer.htm

    LOT Polish Airlines to Add 12 More EMBRAER 175 Jets
    http://www.reuters.com/article/pressRelease/idUS148461+17-Jan-2008+PRN20080117

    The E170 is the first aircraft of the four-member E-Jets family, and entered revenue service in Mar-04. As of 31-Dec-07, the E170/190 E-Jet family hadlogged 764 firm orders and 786 options from more than 40 customers in 25 countries on five
    continents, and had surpassed 1.2 million flight hours

    http://middleeastaviation.aero/news/airline/7494/EgyptAir+purchases+six+more+E190s+from+Embraer

    http://www.aircanada.com/shared/images/common/fleet/e175.jpg

    http://www.aircanada.com/shared/en/common/fleet/pop_fleetE175.html

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