IF they end up buying anything at all it’ll be 1-2 squadrons of F 16’s, most likely, ex US, ADV versions. Same kind of birds that Jordan got. Politics aside, I still think the FC-! would be the best option. If for nothing else I believe the Mexican airforce wants “real” fast jet fighters, which rules out the Korean birds.
Well i do not know what they will buy for sure SEDENA which basicly is the air force says they want F-16s and F-18 to replace T-33s and F-5s.
However in the past Mexico has also bought Russian helicopters and transport aircraft and Brazilian jets
The NAVY wanted to purchase these aircraft however none of these types was purchase
In my opinion if the Navy remains independent and demand fighters they more likely will chose a light aircraft very likely an aircraft like the AMX
Sourcehttp://lord-william-mx.spaces.live.com/default.aspx?mkt=ja-JP&partner=Live.Spaces
What about the FC-1 then? Brand new, with the capabilities of an early F 16, and cheap!
While, the FC-1 would be a capable fighter. The South Korean A-50/T-50 could use most US PGM’s. Which, will give it a very powerful strike capablity the Chinese Fighter just couldn’t hope to match! Further, it is all likely to have better quality and cheaper to operate………just my 2 cents.:rolleyes:
I guess it is very difficult mexico will buy such aircraft, the South Korean jet seems more likely politically speaking, however it is more likely they will buy F-16s or F-18s because politically is more convinient for Mexico at the most Russian or European but i guess at the end it will be F-16s and perhaps some F-18s for the Navy
artistic renditions
Just hope they can achieve enough sales to offset the R&D costs and even make a profit.

Well mike that is difficult to know, becuase usually only one program can not pay for all the R&D costs, you need to milk a design, create new aircraft from it and later you can pay and make profits this is only possible since from the begining the aircraft has a little commercial success and is designed to be not a single niche aircraft.
http://1000aircraftphotos.com/HistoryBriefs/ElGalivan358.htm
http://www.gavilanaircraft.com/pdf/gavilan358.pdf
http://www.gavilanaircraft.com/
Well, wasnt mexico interested in some Su-27/30s not too long ago?
In Mexico the Navy and armed forces are almost two different entities, SEDENA (air force) wants F-16s and F-18 to replace the T-33 and F-5s, SEMAR (navy) wanted the Su-27 or JAS-39 however it did not materialize.
The Mexican defence minister asked the Mexican congress to urgently replace equipment since he claimed the air force is obsolete (basicly museum pieces) and even the satellite system used by the armed forces is very vulnerable to spies.
Mexico City— General Electric Infrastructure Queretaro expanded its
engineering center, specialized in the design of airplane turbines
and ecologic energy generation turbines.
This expansion will generate around 600 jobs for Mexican engineers
recently graduated from different colleges, the Company’s officers
said.
Around 1,050 engineers in aeronautics industry are currently working
at this plant in Queretaro.
“This project not only means employment generation, but also the
development of technology in Mexico”, said President Felipe Calderon
in the Center’s inauguration.
Giovanni Aloi Timeuz, Director of GE Energia in Mexico said that
they will focus on making space industry evolve; among their plans
stands out the new GX turbine, “in which design more than 120
engineers participate and will achieve a 20% reduction in fuel and
is also less noisy”.
Mexico’s aeronautics sector generated around 20,000 jobs and
contributed to exports with US$2.6 billion. General Electric is
planning to invest US$100 million in Mexico only this year.
Source:CNNExpansión
http://www.maquilaportal.com/cgi-bin/public/board.pl?klie=2
http://mx.ibtimes.com/articles/20080229/general-electric-empleos-eacute-xico.htm
http://www.cnnexpansion.com/negocios/2008/02/28/ge-genera-mas-empleos-en-mexico
CNN reports that the G&E Mexican plant also will work in the development of an jet engine for the A-380

One of the Aeromarmi new original aircraft the Stela being built, Mexico is focusing in building Bombardiers and buildiing new domestic designs in the new ambitious aerospace industry program that has been set by the Mexican government to become one of the future countries with aircraft manufacturing capability
http://www.universia.net.mx/index.php/news_user/content/view/full/47240/
Would you believe that’s the first I’ve heard about them since the prototype was undergoing flight testing? There’s obviously a market for the flying van style bush planes as everyone who produces one seems to make them sell. Having said that I’m not sure whether the Finist (looked like a Russian Beaver copy -almost) ever found any buyers.
Well up to what i know the armed forces of Colombia at least got 5, several others have civilian users and two are at least in Guatemala and Uruguay
http://syd-tecnicas.webcindario.com/fm_gavilan/fm_gavilan.htm
http://www.fac.mil.co/?idcategoria=3408&facmil_2007=fe2958d2bfc1a59
That’s a machine I’ve heard nothing of for a few years. Do you happen to know how many are in service and if any have been exported?
I have no idea but i guess a few
Here we have a HMD made and designed in Colombia by OVO technologies, according to reports this Helmey mounted display is even better than Israeli equivalents in the sense it can be reused by several pilots thanks to an adaptable sighting system

http://www.fuerzasmilitares.net/armamento/fac_casco_ovotech/ovo.html
http://www.fac.mil.co/index.php?idcategoria=19902&facmil_2007=fe2958d2bfc1a59

http://worldtrends.blogspot.com/
Mexican UAV Ehecatl S4 and the naval mexican missile project
Columbia is not sending any troops up to the board to counter the Venezuelian move, so the chances of this thing degenerating into a shooting war is much reduced. Now Venezuela would need to actually go out of its way to try and start a fight. Since Columbia has already effectively back down, Chavez got his ‘victory’, so he has little to gain and only a lot to loose by trying to actively start a war down there now.
Its effectively over since everyone has got what they want. Columbia killed some Farc leaders and Chavez made the Columbians blink and back down from a fight. Unless Columbia does something staggeringly stupid, like trying to hit another Farc camp in a neighbouring country, then things should eventually calm down and return to normal.
That is logic there is no animosity in latin america like there is in Europe, middle east or Asia to attack a neighbouring country, since in Latin america despite its history of centuries of explotation and decimation of native and african populations we are very homogeneous and there have never been wars with real ethnic cleansing between two states like Germany did in WWII or the former Yugoslavia.
Also they lack military production to sustain long interstate wars, Colombia has few Kfirs and Venezuela few Mirages, F-16s and Sukhois to really make war for years.



Even the US Mexican war or the Chaco war were simply territorial disputes where casualties were relatively low
A company with close links to Beijing might be operating it, but China does not control it.
For example, see how long the canal will remain in Chinese hands if the PRC tries to prevent non-Chinese shipping from using it. On the other hand, if Uncle Sam decided to take control of the canal, there isn’t much China can do to stop it.
There is a big difference between ‘ownership’ and ‘control’ when strategic assets are concerned.
That is totally correct specially considering there are US military forces in Colombia and in the area
Interesting article: http://www.weeklystandard.com/weblogs/TWSFP/2008/03/send_the_raptor_to_columbia.asp
It would be funny if the F-22 can change the weaking dollar trend
USD GBP CAD EUR AUD
1 1.98539 1.00462 1.521 0.922696
0.503677 1 0.506004 0.766092 0.46474
0.9954 1.97626 1 1.514 0.918452
0.657462 1.30532 0.6605 1 0.606637
1.08378 2.15173 1.08878 1.64842 1
Tuesday, March 4, 2008
in a time when even the Canadian dollar is more expensive than the american dollar the US needs markets not wars,
http://www.x-rates.com/
yeah another war more billions in wars more debt yeah for the US it is not be very smart to get into another two wars more, what the US needs are markets and exports, jobs and education not sending aircraft to spend and burn more dollars.
Sen. Hillary Clinton, saying that President Bush plans to leave the war in Iraq “to his successor,’’ asserted today that the only way to register a protest is to vote for troop withdrawals.
http://www.swamppolitics.com/news/politics/blog/2007/09/clinton_committed_to_bringing.html
it is more likely the americans won`t want another war and another war that will create more refuges, a very bad public image and burn more dollars in weapons.
For the US a peaceful political solution is better, the US should be seen as a pacifier along side Brazil to gain once more the confidence of some Latin american nations, if not from their governments at least from their populances
I’m sure Mexico has many nice printed regulations…they just don’t enforce them the way the US, Canada and EU nations do.
If they don’t enforce them, what’s the point in having them?You state the obvious that pollution freely crosses international boundies…
It would be nice if Mexico would enforce whatever regulations it has.
Mexico isn’t that poor…it has first class natural resources and a hard working populace. It’s just that the government is very corrupt and the wealth is concentrated in the hands of a very small number of people.As I’ve said, I’ve been on the border and have seen the difference…have you?
Who does pollute more Mexico or the US? just in CO2 emissions the US wins
see
Today, more than 40 percent of U.S. waterways are unsafe for swimming and fishing activities.
http://www.ens-newswire.com/ens/mar2006/2006-03-24-05.asp

http://www.eia.doe.gov/kids/energyfacts/saving/recycling/solidwaste/sourcereduction.html
http://www.epa.gov/epaoswer/non-hw/muncpl/pubs/msw06.pdf
in fact if you see of those pounds only 35% was recycled.
CO2 emissions
Showing latest available data. Rank Countries Amount (top to bottom)
#1 United States: 5,762,050
#2 China: 3,473,600
#3 Russia: 1,540,360
#4 Japan: 1,224,740
#5 India: 1,007,980
#6 Germany: 837,425
#7 United Kingdom: 558,225
#8 Canada: 521,404
#9 Italy: 446,596
#10 Mexico: 385,075
#11 France: 363
So J Boyle very likely the US is not a nation that is very ecological, true mexico is not an example of green tech either however the impact the US has on the enviroment of North America is higher than Mexico per capita and in the total amount of pollution generated by Year.
The Bombardier company is only taking Mexico`s general characteristics to build cheaper aircraft and compete with Embraer head to head since already the Canadian dollar is more expensive and the Mexican workers can cheapen those aircraft allowing and at the same time allowing Mexico to get a limited technology transfer and train specialists in the aerospace manufacturing industry.

http://www.queretaro.gob.mx/noticia.php?anio=2007&dia=0&historico=true&mes=0&clave=2944&pageNum_noticias=799

http://ipezone.blogspot.com/2007/12/mexico-from-maquiladoras-to-aerospace.html

http://www.skyscraperlife.com/transportes-y-comunicaciones/5966-industria-aerospacial-en-mexico.html

I agree, the quality of work will be fine…certainly aircraft standards will be met.
My point is, they can get the same standards a a much lower cost.
Same thing with TVs, computers and other items that come from “low wage” countries.by Health and Safety I was referring to industrial safety issues.
As far as pollution, Mexico does not have the same standards as the US and Canada…there is an issue of air & water pollution heading north into the USA.
Having been to Mexico and having lived in two border states, I can assure you Mexico is more concerned with employment levels than if any pollution escapes its borders.
I can of agree with you but not as you think, it is correct probably the Mexican politicians are more concerned with jobs more than pollution however i will say a simple question number one what is the Mexican antipollutioon regulation and what rules or points does not cover as the american regulation? i bet you won`t answer this one because it requieres to know both nations antipollution laws, and why if the american regulation is so good why it is allowed to some american firms to pollute in the other side of the border when basicly the pollution has no border once Mexico is polluted the US will be pollute?pollution has no border and does not need pastports or Visas to enter the US and Canada?
The reality is the US and Mexican regulation are more or less equivalents but both nations do not apply them simply because of economics and by the fact that big corporations are not forced in both sides of the border to respect nature, big corporations are to blame since they have enough economic power to force national governments to do not inforce the ecological protection laws.
While in the US they use Mexico as a scapegoat of all the corruption and lack of honesty by many US politicains in mexico poverty and corruption end up too destroying the ecology.
conclusion: both the US and Mexico are to blame.
However i do not think in this case Bombardier is a corrupt company, since they are demanding very high standards to the Mexican government and the Mexican government is exepting Bombardier of paying exesive taxes if the canadian company has a beneficial effect in the mexican economy.