Chile, Bolivia, Peru, Ecuador and Colombia are also associated to MERCOSUR. Mexico has an observer status.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mercosur
YOU SAY that Mexican farmers were ruined by American subsidies and the maquiladoras are not what we can classify of a serious technological transfer policy.
To be sure, Mexico applied for a future MERCOSUR association. As a block MERCOSUR got more at WTO than Chile and other Latin American countries isolated.
We will produce, as partner, small nuclear plants for energy generation. Brazil leads at enrichment plants, we have a full working plant at Resende, a Rio de Janeiro State town, Argentina has a lead at nuclear reactor for scientific purposes. We will join efforts and if this IS NOT technological cooperation someone is wrong with his preconceptions… But we are also developing a small atomic reactor and we already built the vessel to be installed at Aramar Complex. It’s a 20 years old program that needs only five years to its conclusion.
North America created South America building Panama Channel and exploring ALL Central American countries with the bananeras at the first half of 20th Century. Brazil is a continental country has a lot of geographical and economic challenges. Probably, with Russia, we are the country with more ecosystems diversity, from semi arid regions (as our Northeast) to Temperate Pampa at the South. We have the richest Savanna at the world (we call it Cerrado, Brasilia, our capital, was built at the middle of it) and the Rain Forest amongst other ecosystems. A lot of people were left behind at our development model, created at the first half of the 20th Century, but we have a lot of inclusive policies that takes out more than 20 million people from poverty at the last 20 years. Today, we have a living expectative bigger than Russia. Our industrial park, believe it or not, is ahead of Mexico’s one at technological level and we produce more agribusiness technologies than all other American countries, excluding USA. We export seeds to Africa and lead oil offshore exploration at great deeps. We lead biofuel research and production. We are not preoccupied with market reservation, as you say, but to launch a strong cooperation between all countries that want to participate.
http://www.ibge.gov.br/english/
Mexican says: “Poor Mexico, too far from God and too near to USA”. Yes, this is true. Mexico declares its intention to participate at Mercosur, an Argentinean-Brazilian initiative, but its participation depends only to Mexico’s politician and they are closer to USA interests.
If you want to know more, here are some links:
http://www.mre.gov.br/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=1474&Itemid=1343
http://www.mre.gov.br/index.php?option=com_content&task=category§ionid=52&id=229&Itemid=1343
http://www.mre.gov.br/index.php?option=com_content&task=category§ionid=52&id=228&Itemid=1337
http://www.mre.gov.br/index.php?option=com_content&task=category§ionid=52&id=230&Itemid=1354
http://www.dc.mre.gov.br/english/page6.asp
You overlook many factors about Mexico, while it is true Brazil is ahead in sectors like the satellite rocket launcher or the building of jet aircraft, Brazil real capabilities belie its real status.
the Nuclear submarine project for example is another example of industrial projects where brazil wants to lead in Latin america.
Brazil is a great nation but many of the brazilian advantages are relatively not as amazing as many think.
In latin america poverty is a fact, and happily Brazil is not a nation that wastes technology in excess in weapons however brazil has not a gap in development where we can say is ahead in a way we can say is unreachable in more tha 10 years by Mexico or Argentina.
Example Embraer lead by Brazil has been up to a level neutralized by Mexico building Bombadier fuselages and in 5 years bombardier aircraft and McDonnel douglas Helicopters, in fact Mexico now produces all the electric harnesses even of the F-22 and F-16 fighters, metal parts for Beechcraft.
If Brazil was producing 100% domestic aircraft Mexico would be decades behind, however since Brazil does not produce entirely the aircraft build by Embraer and basicly all the Embraer aircraft are composite of Brazilian and foreign technology the actual lead by Brazil is in reality is not as big as many think.
In the area of car design and computer technology also Brazil lead is not great.
http://cde.gda.itesm.mx/index.php?Itemid=99999999&id=15&option=com_content&task=view&lang=us
Mexican company TAM is claiming to be the only company in the world that offers a “turn-key” flying rocket belt package.
If you weigh less than 136kg and have a spare $250,000 then according to the site (link below) this is what you’ll get
http://www.pocket-lint.co.uk/news/news.phtml/8306/9330/Flying-rocket-jet-pack-belts.phtml
http://www.dina.com.mx/htq_104r.html
http://www.historiasdelmotor.com/2007/mastretta-mxt/
Mr. Estrada explained that Bombardier has started working
in a building with a surface of around 97,000 square feet, where
they are manufacturing fuselages and stabilizers and by the end of
March another 64,500 square feet building will be ready to produce
harnesses.
http://www.maquilaportal.com/cgi-bin/public/board.pl?klie=16
The main difference of Mexico`s and Brazil approach is simple Mexico is becoming a member state of the future North American Union and is adquiring tech transfers and training just by working with already stablished companies.
Argentina`s case is different, its economy is small uncapable of leading a block, however Argentina has a technological level in some areas quit advanced such as nuclear technology and aerospace technology in fact now Argentina will work along side Brazil in several aerospace projects such as satellites or the Embraer 170 and 190 aircraft besides the nuclear area.
7. Cooperação nuclear
Determinar aos órgãos competentes do Brasil e da Argentina a constituição de uma comissão binacional responsável pelo desenvolvimento de um modelo de reator nuclear de potência que atenda às necessidades dos sistemas elétricos dos dois países e, eventualmente, da região. Determinar também que, até agosto de 2008, a referida comissão binacional elabore relatório específico de ação com esse fim.
14. Grupo de Trabalho Conjunto de Defesa
Instruir que, conforme o estabelecido nos termos do Artigo 4 do “Acordo Quadro de Cooperação em Matéria de Defesa entre a República Federativa do Brasil e a República Argentina”, firmado em 30 de novembro de 2005, em Porto Iguaçu, seja posto em funcionamento em Buenos Aires, no dia 22 de abril de 2008, o Grupo de Trabalho Conjunto.
O principal objetivo do Grupo de Trabalho Conjunto será identificar e coordenar atividades de cooperação em matéria de defesa entre o Brasil e a Argentina, tais como a cooperação das indústrias aeronáuticas, e a pesquisa, desenvolvimento e/ou produção conjuntas de equipamentos de defesa, inclusive o veículo “Gaúcho”. Para tal fim e, nos termos do Artigo 8, serão envolvidos, caso seja necessário, as entidades civis (EMBRAER e AMC, entre outras) e militares de ambos os Estados.
14.a. Produção conjunta do Veículo “Gaúcho”
O Grupo de Trabalho Conjunto, em sua reunião do mês de abril de 2008, constituirá uma Subcomissão Binacional formada por representantes dos respectivos Ministérios da Defesa e Forças Armadas, que se reunirá a cada 90 dias (abril, julho e outubro de 2008) para definir a demanda de cada país e coordenar os trabalhos que permitam a produção industrial no primeiro semestre de 2009 e posterior comercialização do veículo “Gaúcho”. Esta Subcomissão reportará ao Grupo de Trabalho.
a) a subcontratação da produção na AMC de partes para a família de aviões 170/190 da EMBRAER, com a capacitação tecnológica necessária para o cumprimento de tal objetivo;
b) a venda de aviões da EMBRAER para o mercado argentino; e
c) desenvolvimento de projetos aeronáuticos de interesse mútuo para os Ministérios de Defesa ao que possam integrar-se, mediante acordos específicos, empresas públicas e privadas de ambos os países.
That Treaty includes ALL AMERICAS, including NORTH AMERICA. By this treaty, signed at 15th Century, United States now would speak Spanish (this will happen in a next future with actual hispanic imigration rates)
This happen cause Portugal and Spain were united under Castela rule between 1581 and 1640. All South America were under one King. You need to know South America and Iberian history to comment Brazilian territory growing. This cause even a Dutch invasion at 17th Century. We expell them and they created a small town named New Amsterdam. At that time, almost all white area was occupied by portuguese colonist. The agreement between Iberian powers was based in the uti posedetis, the frontier was designed around each colonization limits.
You are wrong. At 1822, when Brazil turned independent from Portugal rule, Uruguay was part of our territory. To be correct, we loose a complete province.
Its a very important partner and we respect our partners
All South American countries need some protection against US and Europe trade practices. Free trade is only a word for rich countries. That’s the real reason for MERCOSUR, to negotiate from a more strong position with countries that ask everything and concede nothing when they are uncompetitive. Even with European and American protectionism our biggest export partner are not South American countries, but Europe, Japan and USA.
We’re not worried with South American countries. We intended some dissuasion against countries OUTSIDE our continent
With no Brazilian government support.
As you see, Brazilian government even supported a Bolivian expedition against Brazilian colonists. What your text didn’t mention is the Bolivian decision to lease all Acre to an American Syndicate, the Bolivian Syndicate, to explore the land that catalysed peoples, Bolivian included, to fight.
To be truthful, Pando was encircled by Plácido de Castro forces and was in a very uncomfortable situation when accepted the Treaty of Petropolis terms
First of all, we still paid a fair compensation to Bolivia: two million of sterling pounds (yes, in gold coins) and built a railroad to help Bolivia to export with no additional fee. At second, we never used regular troops to invade Bolivia. General Olímpio da Silveira even tried to persuade Plácido de Castro to stop hostilities. Plácido accepted and was attacked. After that, Olímpio was sacked. A few months later, Bolivia signed the Petropolis Treaty.
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Man i will tell you why brazil is also imperialist, excluding Mexico, Cuba and central America and saying south america is a separte entity in fact saying there are two latin americas, one in south america and other in the north shows quit easily there is another Tordesillas treaty beween Unites States and Brazil.
Chile has not accepted Mercosur ideas and has followed Mexico and Colombia in one way is doing the same because in reality Brazil has formulate an idea also quit hegemonic.
Will brazill succeed well yes and not because while Brazil is calling for protectionism Mexico is calling for openess in fact Mexico is getting almost the same Brazil is getting and becoming a very competitive nation.
That idea that latin america is only south America and that excludes Mexico, Cuba and the antilles exists simply because Brazil knows very well doing business with the americans also means be very competitive and even doing with Mexico business won`t be easy.
In matter of defence Brazil is doing something good for the whole of Latin America but in reality without real cooperation between all the nations of Latin america we can not progress.
For example is very likely that the argentine press was right, argentina will help brazil with the reactor but Brazil is claiming the submarine will have only brazilian technology, but at least cooperation in nuclear technology and aerospace manufacture has been retified and confirmed
Brazil can not lead latin america with a protectionist stand, because there is only one latin america and no a south america as Brazil wants in order to control the much smaller latin american spanish speaking countries that have less competitive economies, without a real whole Latin american policy there is no way latin america will advance, Is Brazil leading the way, yes and not, yes because it has the most advanced aerospace industry in Latin america and one of the most advanced domestic industries, however it is still bellow Chile, Uruguay, Costa rica, Argentina and Mexico in general living standards and in terms of technology Mexico and Argentina are not far behind Brazil
In fact the reality is Brazil`s modern posture is a hegemonic position manufactured politically to weaken the spanish speaking nations if Central america Cuba and Mexico are excluded of the Latin american scene
WOW! We got our territory at 18th Century when we were a simple Portuguese colony. All of it recognized by treaties with Spain. At that time we’re not even a country. We have only a few wars at the South with Spaniards at actual Uruguayan territory!
At 19th Century, as an independent country, we fought the Uruguayan Independence War – rebels counted with Argentinean support -, two wars with Uruguay and one against Argentina. We lost only the first one and we take no territory from our former enemies. You can compare that with American practice against Mexico and Spain.
We fought Paraguay after its president, Solano Lopez, invaded our territory and Argentina in 1865. We won the war and take a little strip of land, smaller than Maine State. When Bolivia intended to sell Acre State to an American Syndicate, Brazilian and Bolivian rubber producers began a revolution against La Paz. They won and asked to integrate Brazil, very similar with American experience at Texas. We accepted but Brazilian government paid a lot of compensations to Bolivia.
We are not an imperialistic country. If we were like USA, our limits would include Paraguay, Uruguay and part of Argentina.
And why not support Venezuela for retakes its oil? It’s a sovereign country. Bolivia nationalized a lot of Brazilian gas producing plants and we kept our compromises and investments at the country.
Why sign a treaty that gives nothing to us and takes a lot? USA pays a lot of subsidies to its orange and soy beans producers. This is protectionism. We can offer better prices and production rates but can not compete against American and European subsidies.
Europe and Japan are Brazil biggest technological partners.
This is true…
We have also to protect our petrol offshore production.
The main question is why Brazil needs a nuclear submarine? and the only reason is to fight other nuclear submarines
all the latin american economies in South american know that Mercosur is the only way South american can progress and they know the only nuclear submarines that can defeat the navies of any south american nation are non Latin american and non South american.
Brazil, one of the fastest rising economies in South America, a model for Green Earth types looking to get off the oil dependency, has discovered a large field of oil off shore. Supposedly, as a result of this discovery Brazil will be building a nuclear submarine.
Well, sortof. Actually Brazil has been working on a nuclear submarine since 1979, and while they have mastered many of the components they haven’t yet developed a domestic submarine reactor. The latest news about the Brazilian nuclear submarine though actually includes figures. From the AP.
Brazil has been talking about building a nuclear submarine for decades, but the project got a boost in July when President Luiz Inacio Lula da Silva announced $540 million in funding for uranium enrichment and the sub program.
Jobim said earlier this month that he wants to come up with an outline within three months to build a submarine for about $1.2 billion, the Agencia Estado news service reported.
Well, sort of. According to Admiral Julio Soares de Moura Neto, it is actually a billion over 8 years, with $130 million the first year. The goal is to have an 11 MW reactor built and ready to go by 2015, with a nuclear submarine in the water by 2020.
This project is being sold as a project of national pride. Brazil already has the former French aircraft carrier Foch, but a nuclear submarine would put the nation in unique company. In alot of the commentary I have read, many believe the only thing that will stop Brazil from building the submarine is in fact the US.
It leaves a lot of questions without answers though. The Type 209s are badly in need of modernization, and in 2006 it was announced that Brazil had paid $1.8 billion for upgrading the five existing Type 209s and purchasing a Type 214, although no one over at the Brazil Naval blog seems to know anything about that. Is the money being spent to build the nuclear submarine the same money that would be allocated to modernize the Type 209s and buy the new Type 214?
The question matters, because while it may be national pride on the line for a nuclear submarine, Brazil doesn’t need a nuclear submarine to guard an oil field off its coast.
http://informationdissemination.blogspot.com/2007/11/brazil-and-nuclear-submarine.html
Brazilian dreams of becoming the first Latin American country to operate a nuclear submarine were reportedly discussed during a late January visit to Paris, France, by Brazil’s defense minister Nelson Jobim.
Long-dormant plans to enter the nuclear submarine club were recently revived by Brazil, which already has a modest submarine-building capability.
The Associated Press and Reuters reported that Jobim discussed the possible purchase of a non-nuclear Scorpene-class submarine to improve Brazil’s shipyard technology.
The Brazilian daily newspaper Folha de S. Paulo reported that the Brazilian government wants to build the sub in Brazil at a price of US$ 600 million to be paid over 20 years.
The government already is spending about US$ 560 million to develop a submarine nuclear reactor by 2015.
Jobim was reported by Reuters to have met in Paris on January 28 with the head of DCNS, the state-owned French shipyard that makes the Scorpene. Chile already operates two Scorpènes, while six more are on order for India and two for Malaysia.
Brazil also is upgrading its existing submarine fleet. Lockheed Martin’s Undersea Systems unit in Manassas, Virginia, was awarded a US$ 35 million contract January 29 to deliver new combat systems for Brazil’s four Tupi-class diesel-electric submarines, the more modern Tikuna, and a shore-based trainer system.
Lockheed said in a press release that the modernized systems will “dramatically improve” the ship’s war-fighting abilities and make them more capable of operating with U.S. and allied naval forces. The move comes after a recent Brazilian decision to buy Mark 48 Mod6AT heavyweight torpedoes from the U.S.
Lockheed’s open-architecture systems will modernize the submarines’ control, combat management, sonar and fire control and weapons launch systems.
The Brazilian submarines are based on the German HDW Type 209/1400 design. The Tikuna was built to an improved design at the navy’s Arsenal de Marinha shipyard in Rio de Janeiro and commissioned in December 2005.
The Lockheed contract was awarded through the U.S. Navy’s Naval Sea Systems Command as part of a foreign military sale.
WOW! We got our territory at 18th Century when we were a simple Portuguese colony. All of it recognized by treaties with Spain. At that time we’re not even a country. We have only a few wars at the South with Spaniards at actual Uruguayan territory!
At 19th Century, as an independent country, we fought the Uruguayan Independence War – rebels counted with Argentinean support -, two wars with Uruguay and one against Argentina. We lost only the first one and we take no territory from our former enemies. You can compare that with American practice against Mexico and Spain.
We fought Paraguay after its president, Solano Lopez, invaded our territory and Argentina in 1865. We won the war and take a little strip of land, smaller than Maine State. When Bolivia intended to sell Acre State to an American Syndicate, Brazilian and Bolivian rubber producers began a revolution against La Paz. They won and asked to integrate Brazil, very similar with American experience at Texas. We accepted but Brazilian government paid a lot of compensations to Bolivia.
We are not an imperialistic country. If we were like USA, our limits would include Paraguay, Uruguay and part of Argentina.
And why not support Venezuela for retakes its oil? It’s a sovereign country. Bolivia nationalized a lot of Brazilian gas producing plants and we kept our compromises and investments at the country.
Why sign a treaty that gives nothing to us and takes a lot? USA pays a lot of subsidies to its orange and soy beans producers. This is protectionism. We can offer better prices and production rates but can not compete against American and European subsidies.
Europe and Japan are Brazil biggest technological partners.
This is true…
We have also to protect our petrol offshore production.
Spain and Portugal signed an agreement where they limited their respectives colonies in South america
even after the independence of Brazil, Brazil continued growing
Now i am not claiming Brazil is a bad nation, niether saying Brazil is an imperial power like the US simply because it can not become like the US by its own, Brazil does need Argentina and the other latin american nations to make a concensus where any diplomatic american preassure can be fought.
In fact Mercosur is as important to Brazil as the US and Europe are, there is no thing like Argentina is not an important partner.
The main reason Brazil needs Mercosur is because it is the only way Brazil can defend its economy against the US, and Brazil needs a protectionis policy where it can assure trade markets in South america since basicly by exception of Argentian and Mexico no other latin amerecan economy will be able to struggle with the brazilian economy.
You case about the agriculture subsidies is true, The Mexican agriculture under NAFTA has basicly disappeared and this has brought poverty to the Mexican farmers
Now the question is why Brazil needs a nuclear submarine when in reality no other Latin american navy has even an aircraft carrier?
Now the independence of Acre is not very duifferent to the texas anexetion by the US in fact it followed the same path
History of Acre
Because of the area’s wealth in rubber, the Brazilians were interested in Acre from the middle of the 19th century. The first to arrive came in 1852, continued in 1861 and in subsequent years. The arrival of Brazilian colonists in considerable numbers started in 1877 (3 April).
Though the territory was under Bolivian sovereignty by virtue of the Hispano-Portuguese Treaty of 1750, the Bolivians had no presence in the zone. When Colonel Pando staged a coup d’état in Bolivia against President Aniceto Arce and failed, he took refuge in Brazil and learned of the situation in Acre where the Brazilian colonists were taking possession of the region.
Pando alerted the Bolivian government and began diplomatic maneuvers. In 1898 Bolivia established access to Acre, which caused the armed revolt of the Brazilian inhabitants with the support of the authorities of the State of Amazonas (1 May 1899). Under pressure from Attorney José Carvalho, the Bolivians were forced to abandon the zone. To avoid the return of the Bolivians, the governor of Amazonas, Ramalho Júnior, organized the entry into the region of a unit of adventurers under the command of Luis Galvez Rodriguez de Arias, a Spaniard, who left from Manaus on 4 June 1899, arriving at the Bolivian establishment called Puerto Alonso, which Galvez renamed Porto Acre, proclaiming there the Republic of Acre on 14 July 1899. In spite of this, the Brazilian government considered Acre Bolivian territory by virtue of international treaties (especially one signed in Ayacucho in 1867), so it supported diplomatically a Bolivian military force that suppressed the Acre Republic on 15 March 1900.
Soon afterward, the Bolivian force in Acre was blockaded in Porto Acre by the Brazilians of the region, who again received help from the governor of Amazonas, Silvério Neri, by means of a new expedition (called the Expedition of the Poets) under command of the journalist Orlando Correa Lopez, which proclaimed the Second Republic of Acre (November 1900) with Rodrigo de Carvalho as president.
Defeated by the Bolivians (24 December 1900), the Second Republic was also suppressed. On 6 August 1902 a Brazilian soldier called José Plácido de Castro, sent by Governor Neri of Amazonas, arrived in Acre and began the so-called Acrean Revolution. The rebels took all the region except Porto Acre, which was not yielded until 24 January 1903. On 27 January 1903, the Third Republic of Acre was proclamed, this time relying on the support of Brazilian President Rodrigues Alves and his Foreign minister, the Baron of Rio Branco, who ordered the occupation of a part of Acre. There the territorial government of North Acre was established under the rule of General Olímpio da Silveira.
In Bolivia, Colonel Pando had become president, and he marched with troops to fight the revolutionaries. Before any significant combat occurred, Brazilian and Bolivian representatives signed a preliminary peace agreement (21 March), ratified afterwards in the Treaty of Petrópolis (17 November 1903), by which Bolivia relinquished all the territory to Brazil in exchange for other territories in Mato Grosso.
Acre was converted to a Brazilian federal territory by the Law of 25 February 1904 and executive decree of 7 of April 1904. It was elevated to statehood on 15 June 1962.
The former Acre president, Plácido de Castro, died on 11 August 1908.
This was a slightly less unfair that the Texan anexation by the US
Here we have some south american submarines
The Brazilian Navy currently operates a flotilla of four Tupi-class (modified German Type 209) submarines, which are based at Base Almirante Castro e Silva, Mocangue Island, near Rio de Janeiro. The first of class was constructed at Germany’s Howaldtswerke-Deutsche Werft (HDW), while the remainder were built at Arsenal de Marinha do Rio de Janeiro (AMRJ). AMRJ launched a fifth boat, the improved Tupi class Tikuna, on March 9, 2005. In the near future, Brazil plans to begin constructing a new class of five diesel submarines.[1] These submarines are to be a further step in the eventual creation of a fleet of nuclear-powered attack boats, which will use the same hull as the new diesel boats. According to Brazilian reports in late May 2004, a special budget of approximately $7.8 million was to be released immediately for the completion of the land-based nuclear reactor prototype RENAP-11 (Reator Naval de Potência de 11 Megawatts), which was expected to become operational in 2005.[2] The RENAP-11 will then be modified for use in the SNAC-2 nuclear-powered submarine program (which will reportedly require a 48 megawatt PWR reactor).[2,3] Although SNAC-2, initiated in 1979, has been beset by funding problems, the program has recently become a priority. Plans now call for a submarine construction contract by 2009, and the commissioning of the lead boat in a class of three in 2018. The first of class will be a diesel variant under the Tikuna SNAC-1 program, in order to test the hull before installing nuclear reactors on the second and third of the class.[2]
Brazilian Navy submarine crossing under the Rio-Niterói Bridge, Rio de Janeiro.
Source: Serviço de Relações Públicas da Marinha, http://www.mar.mil.br/acervo/submarinos/sub-2.htm.
The Brazilian Navy is responsible for the protection of some 7,400 km of coastline. Brasília’s submarines are a critical part of this effort. In addition to attacking the sea lines of communication of the enemy, they can be employed for power projection through the disembarkation of special forces, for intelligence collection, and for laying mines, notes Rear Admiral Pedro Fava, Commander of the Brazilian Navy Submarine Force.[4]
http://www.nti.org/db/submarines/brazil/index.html
France ready to sell submarines, jets to Brazil: Sarkozy
“We are ready to organize technology transfers so that helicopters and fighter jets, notably the Rafale, can be built in Brazil,” Sarkozy said.
by Staff Writers
Saint-Georges, French Guiana (AFP) Feb 12, 2008
French President Nicolas Sarkozy told his Brazilian counterpart here Tuesday that France was willing to sell conventional submarines and fighter jets to Brazil.
Sarkozy told reporters after meeting with Brazilian President Luiz Inacio Lula da Silva in French Guiana, a French overseas territory bordering Brazil, that the project was part of a “global partnership” with Brazil not limited to military sales.
The French leader said France was ready to transfer technology to Brazil “to be able to sell submarines and fighter jets” to the South American giant.
“I told President Lula that we were ready to have one of our Scorpene submarines built in Brazil,” he said in a joint news conference. The Scorpene is a non-nuclear submarine.
“We are ready to organize technology transfers so that helicopters and fighter jets, notably the Rafale, can be built in Brazil,” he said.
Addressing an issue dear to Sarkozy, Lula reiterated his readiness to help in any humanitarian effort to win the release of some 40 hostages, including Franco-Colombian politician Ingrid Betancourt, held by Colombian Marxist rebels.
“Anything we can do has to be done with the approval of the Colombian government, otherwise it become more difficult,” Lula said.
The two leaders met in Saint-Georges, by the Oyapock river that marks the border between French Guiana and northern Brazil, for a summit aimed at renewing
http://www.spacedaily.com/reports/France_ready_to_sell_submarines_jets_to_Brazil_Sarkozy_999.html
The Brazilian government says that Brazil will start working jointly with Argentina in the construction of a nuclear submarine, the first in Latin America, to be built using French technology, according to reports in the Buenos Aires press.
For that purpose, a binational company would be formed, to develop a small-size reactor already created by Argentina’s INVAP technology institute and to be installed in conventional French designed Scorpene class submarines.
Earlier this month, France had agreed to provide Brazil with technology to build an attack submarine, but dismissed the possibility of any nuclear technology transfer. Brazilian Defense Minister Nelson Jobim said that this project would also be useful in the construction of nuclear energy plants.
During a visit to Argentina, Brazilian Defense Minister, Nelson Jobim, said that “we have talked with Defense Minister, Nilda Garré, and three Argentine commanders with whom we agreed to create a binational company to develop the compact nuclear small-sized reactor” to be used in a locally made submarine, said the minister in an interview with Argentina’s daily newspaper Clarín.
Before returning to Brazil from last week’s energy summit the minister said that the military project also has civil purposes: “This technology will allow us to build energy plants with the capacity to supply big cities.”
Jobim mentioned that Brazil has discussed a strategic alliance with French President Nicolas Sarkozy “to build a non-nuclear part of the submarine in Brazil. Meanwhile, the power plant would come from the Argentine-Brazilian binational company.”
Sarkozy had stated earlier this month that France was willing to transfer technology to allow the Scorpene French attack submarine and Rafale fighter planes to be built in Brazil, but he stopped short of any nuclear technology transfer.
The Scorpene class submarine is a conventional attack submarine, but Brazilian officials have said they want the diesel-powered vessel to serve as a model for the development of a Brazilian-Argentine nuclear submarine that would be the first in Latin America.
The nuclear technology would come from CAREM, a small-sized-reactor prototype developed by INVAP Argentine state-run technology institute. INVAP was created in 1976 through an agreement between the National Atomic Energy Commission and the Río Negro government.
A pioneer in nuclear technology in the region, INVAP has exported nuclear technology to Peru, Algeria, Egypt, and recently a 20 MW power plant to Australia. It is the only Argentine company acknowledged by the NASA to construct satellites in Argentina, and is now in charge of building radars to supply local airports.
Last Monday the Argentine government agreed to create a commission on pursuing joint uranium enrichment for peaceful nuclear energy purposes, including the joint construction of a nuclear-powered electricity generator and of a satellite.
Brazil’s President, Luiz Inácio Lula da Silva and Argentina’s leader, Cristina Fernandez de Kirchner, had instructed their governments to begin negotiations over the next 120 days toward creating the binational commission. Jobim said that Argentines will provide experience in the nuclear sector.
http://www.freedom4um.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=74368
BUENOS AIRES, Feb. 24 (Xinhua) — Brazil, Argentina and France will work together to develop submarines, visiting Brazilian Defense Minister Nelson Jobim said Sunday.
Brazil and Argentina will set up a joint company to build the sub’s nuclear reactor engine and France will help with non-nuclear submarine design, Jobim said.
The plan follows an agreement Friday between the presidents of Argentina and Brazil to jointly build a nuclear reactor.
Jobim said the agreement resulted in talks with his Argentine counterpart Nilda Garre and three military chiefs.
Argentina currently has two nuclear power plants, with a third under construction.
Brazil has the world’s sixth-largest reserves of nuclear fuel uranium. Brazilian President Luiz Inacio da Silva, known by his nickname Lula, last year announced plans to revive Brazil’s nuclear power industry, pledging to back these ideas with 540 million U.S. dollars.
Brazil had previously signed a strategic alliance with France that included submarine construction.
Argentine President Cristina Fernandez and Lula have agreed to meet every six months to review joint projects. They will next meet in Brazil’s capital Brasilia.
Jobim traveled to France in January to explore buying a Scorpene class diesel submarine that could be used as a model for the sub.
http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2008-02/25/content_7664738.htm
the difference is, Einstein, Sikorsky, etc became Americans because they emigrated there. Kurt Tank travelled around and assisted/lead projects but he was still a German citizen and died in Germany.
Walter (* 13 November 1913; † 9 December 1998 Baden-Baden) and Reimar Horten (* 12 March 1915; † 14 March 1994 Villa General Belgrano, Argentina), sometimes credited as the Horten Brothers, were German aircraft pilots and enthusiasts. Though they had little, if any, formal training in aeronautics or a related field, the Hortens designed some of the most advanced aircraft of the 1940s
http://www.oni.escuelas.edu.ar/2003/BUENOS_AIRES/62/Histori/argen/Hnac.htm
Émile Dewoitine (1892-July 5, 1979) was a French industrial, Collaborationist war criminal who escaped after World War II to Argentina, a major refuge of former Nazi members or Collaborationists [1].
http://portalaviacion.vuela.com.mx/articulos/pulqui.html
Even if Emile Dewoitine, Kurt Tank or Adolf Galland returned to their home countries many other did not, because argentina`s past governments were taking Nazi and Nazi collaboratos from Europe
Some aircraft built in argentina
Ae.C.1 (1931)
Ae.C.2 (1932) y su derivado Ae.M.E.1 (1933)
Ae.T.1 (1933)
Ae.M.O.1 (1934) (más tarde Ae.M.Oe.1)
Ae.C.e (1934)
Ae.M.Oe.2 (1934)
Ae.C.3 (1934)
El Pulqui II fue un desarrollo de la FMAAe.M.B.1 / Ae.M.B.2 Bombi (1935)
Ae. M.S.1 (1935)
Ae.C.3.G (1936)
Ae.C.4 (1936)
I.A. 20 “Boyero” (1940)
F.M.A. 21 (1943)
I.Ae. 22 “DL” (1944)
I.Ae. 23 (1945)
I.Ae. 24 Calquín (1946)
I.Ae. 25 Mañque (1945)
I.Ae. 27 “Pulqui I” (1947)
I.Ae. 30 Ñancú (1948)
I.Ae. 31 Colibrí (1947)
I.Ae. 32 Chingolo (1949)
I.Ae. 33 “Pulqui II” (1950)
IA-63 PampaI.Ae. 34 Clen Antú (1949)
I.Ae. 35 Huanquero (1953)
I.Ae. 37 (1954)
I.Ae. 38 Naranjero (1960)
I.Ae. 41 Urubú (1953)
I.Ae. 44 “DL” II
I.Ae. 45 Querandí (1957)
I.Ae. 46 Ranquel (1958)
I.Ae. Guaraní I (1961)
I.A. 50 “Guaraní II” (1966)
I.A. 51 Tehuelche (1963)
I.A. 53 (1966)
I.A. 58 “Pucará”
I.A. 63 “Pampa” (1988)
One of the most modern UAv designed in Argentina
Lipan 
Ch-14 Cicare helicopter built in Argentina
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