At least a good idea to look in other sources too.
I did look into different personal reports from 1982. All are dated from the 80s. There are so many details and different personal views about the events, that there is no chance to coordinate or influence that to get a monolithic picture, like it can be from a single one or official source only.
The most intresting part of that is to learn, what does went wrong and why.
That Mi-24D attack was against the 188. brigade “Barak” from UGDAH 162 close to Ein Dara near the highway (Beyrouth-Damascus) on June 10.
A last ditch effort by the Syrians to keep that “life-line” to their troops at Beyrouth supporting the Palestinans there and to prevent the encirclement of Beyrouth.
All parties do know, that there has to be a ceasefire negotiated through American mediation to go into effect on 11 June at 12.00 hour. At that moment none did know, that it will be delayed by some hours through the last hour movement from the Syrian 3rd Amoured Division at Sultan Yakoub.
The few hours, when the T-72s came into play.
“In the extremly close-quarter and bitterly contested tank battles, the Syrian gave as good as they got, and earned the respect of their opponent,” did a Jewish author write. He freely do admitt the Israeli debacle at Sultan Yakoub [362. btl M-60s “Magach 3” _ that detail is from another source than given to show that the fate of a single soldier does not go unnoticed in Israel, so there is nothing to hide about losses –http://www.mia.org.il/de/yehuda.html http://www.mia.org.il/de/articles.html http://www.zacharybaumel.org/chronology.html] in all details, when an own unit was trapped and did suffer painfull losses.
I give just an example about “details” in an already reduced form from just one single source.

Sens

No one is saying that the israelies always lie, niether that the Russians or Soviets always say or said the truth.

however you can see several characteristics in all the reports.

All the reports of any nation in times of war are bias, because these are politized, no single report will give an accurate picture of the reality, therefore no one can rely as a historian in a single set of sources

Usually many historians make generalizations of singularities.
with this i mean that many historians take a single event in this case a single kill and will make a generalization either claiming more kills or less kills

Why these reports are supported? well simply these types of reports are in order to keep an optimistic and politically correct history and in order to sell weapons.

I can show your reports of some Merkavas destroyed in 2006 and in these you will see that each side will arrange the same picture with different accounts.

Same is in aviation, lack of pictures is niether a proof niether a lack of it, you always are going to find different versions.

if i show you a picture of a wreckage. there is a fact, but this fact can be distorted, some can say it was a kill others can say it was an accident.

same with the lack of evidence that the Soviets got an iranian F-14, there is a book written by the ministry of the armed forces of the former Soviet Union about the f-14, this can simply mean they indeed got at least the chance to see it if it was lent by the Iranians.

in few words Sens if it is true there are some facts that can be harmonized when both sides admit same facts, there are moments when same facts can lead to different accounts too

Sorry, you missed the point. It was the Gazelle, which did score on the Syrian side in June 1982. There is just a single attack from a flight of Mi-24D near the FLOT without tank-kills, reported by the Israelis.
http://www.acig.org/artman/publish/article_279.shtml
Some do still question that use in June 82 at all, because no results to find about that.
To avoid misunderstandings from that. None do claim that the Mi-24 is a bad combat helicopter. I am aware that the Syrians had problems at first to use that in the Syrian countryside in a usefull manner as the single reported attack in June 82 did show. The Mi-24 does not allow a NOE-flight and relies on speed. The the Syrians had to work out the right tactic from that experience with the help of the Russian advisors.

When it comes to the F-14-weapons-system, it did change over the decades. You hardly will find a F-14 with a similar avionic standard in general.
Such items were replaced during servicing intervalls related to hours flown.
A sporadic look into such capabilities will give a time-limited view only. Frequencies are changed in unpredictable intervalls. So the intrest of superpowers did switch to the producer of such items in every country. Items to be built there have still to find their way into the frontline F-14s and close to real-time capabilities. To look into a real F-14 is of use to verify the own findings and estimates. Remember the MiG-25 in 1976. That was handed back very soon and not even test-flown. Similar thing about the F-14.
You are in need of a handbook of some basic data and a personal report of a pilot at first. It will be usefull to have some vital items, like the radar for a limited time to get own data for the EW for that. The related technical solutions and capabilities are intresting to learn, but not long worth the effort to copy. At first difficult to adapt to the own technology and second, when doing so, always at least a step behind, because development in technology do not stop.
In the 80s the Russians did suffer a severe setback, when the USA learned the secrets of the weapon-system of the MiG-31, what did render it useless in combat. A new weapon-system had to be developed for that and the MiG-31s built already had to be reequipped with that.
That in mind I have to smile about the question, if the Iran did hand a F-14 to the SU. The Mullahs in Teheran did not have sympathy to the SU either. At least, when we remember about the role of the SU during the first Gulf War. From 1991 there was no longer an SU.

Sens

I do not know the number of tanks the Mi-24 destroyed i have not read how many were destroyed by its weapons, however i do not trust the webpage you give me, i have found some of those reports bias and pro
western and many times the reports have not sufficient evidence at least in pictures
I will try to read more and i will tell you how many tanks the Russian sources claim.

Wrong. In the West we are eager to learn from such losses and the reasons related to that. The Golden Way for a later success and less losses. (The searching efforts about a single pilot, Michael Speicher, is a good example about that.) The damage related to that losses was done already and not to hide in general. In an open society there are too many people envolved to keep that a long time secret really. Your political opposition does not take care about “national feelings” at first as will the free press. “Only bad news is good news” for selling it. Trap someone with a lie and your credebility rises and with that the chance to come into power. Of cause it is much easier to do so, when you are on the winning side militarily. Politics aside, where a military victory can be a political defeat in the long run. The Russians did suffer both, when system did crumble. One reason by the way was the lack of truth. Otherwise not the demand of Perestrojka! When in the PRAWDA the Russians did read on the first pages about the success of their system, they did learn in daily life that something must be wrong with that claims from page one.
In the meanwhile the Russians are no longer intrested to face the mistakes from the past. To ease that feelings about defeat, they are eager to find traces of success. The main intrest of former military and younger ones. Easy to understand, when the lions-share was spent for the military with such result. The economy did crumble from that and with it the SU.

Sens

All this long speech amounts to nothing, why? number one speaking in technical terms when two armies face each other even the wining side will suffer losses.

The winning side might have more losses for example the Soviet Union had more casualties than Germany in WWII.

What i want you to see is if you try to take aside your personal support to one warring party and you try to become neutral you will see each war has two versions.

Russian weapons are like any weapon they can kill, are they the best? the answer not all the time.

If i have shown you Merkavas burning and at the same time T-55s destroyed is to show you that both sides loose weaponry

for example this Israeli F-16 was hit by enemy fire on November 23 1989, according to the report the Israeli F-16 made it to base but what does it prove?
It proves you even Israeli F-16s can be hit and this is just a lucky one an unlucky one would had been shot down as many times the opposition has claimed

source
http://www.waronline.org/IDF/Articles/lebanon-losses.htm
5 июня 1982 г., 20:00 – в ходе атак на позиции палестинской артиллерии, обстреливавшей Галилею, сбит вертолёт «Кобра». Лётчики, капитан Йоси Келер и капитан Амихай Спектор, погибли и их тела попали в руки террористов (позже останки вернули Израилю). Что произошло с вертолётом вначале было неясно. Выдвигались версии, что он врезался в линию электропередач или антенну, или был сбит огнём ПЗРК или зенитной артиллерии. В последствии стало известно, что «Кобра» была сбита огнём 23-мм зенитного орудия («Журнал ВВС Израиля», №131, декабрь 1982 г., стр. 22-24; №146, июнь 1985 г., стр. 58; №225, декабрь 1998 г., стр. 46; №232, февраль 2000 г., стр. 28; «Небеса не граница», стр. 629; «50 лет превосходства в воздухе», стр. 187).

June 5, 1982, 20:00-during attacks on Palestinian positions artillery, rockets Galilee, “Cobra helicopter shot down.” The pilots, Captain Yossi Kohler Amihay Spector and the captain, were killed and their bodies fall into the hands of terrorists (later, the remains were returned to Israel). What happened with the helicopter was not clear at the outset. There were versions that it crashed into the power line or an antenna, or was shot down by fire from anti-aircraft artillery or MANPADS. Subsequently, it became known that the “Cobra” was nailed by fire 23-mm anti-aircraft gun ( “Israel Air Force Magazine, No. 131, December 1982, p. 22-24; No. 146, June 1985, p. 58; No. 225, December 1998, p. 46; No. 232, February 2000, p. 28; “Heaven is no boundary”, p. 629; “50 years of superiority in the air”, p. 187).

NOw if you read what the other side says you will see the other side claims even there were battles between Mi-24s and AH-1s in the Iran iraq war , that the USAF lost an F-14 and other aircraft over lebanon in 1983

Сирийские армейские средства ПВО сбили девять американских самолетов F-14A “Томкэт” и A-6E “Интрудер”, а также два французских “Супер Этандара”, советские расчеты ЗРК С-200 уничтоджили на предельной дистанции над Средиземным морем самолет ДРЛО Е-2С “Хоукай” и три американских беспилотных самолета-разведчика “Файрби”. 4 октября в бой впервые вступили и новейшие МиГ-23МЛ, сбившие с “сухим счетом” два израильских F-15олетов

. The Syrian army air defense shot down nine american aircraft F-14A “Tomcat and A-6E” Intruders “, as well as two French Super Etandard” also Soviet S-200 SAMs shot downt over the Mediterranean Sea an E-2C ” Hawkeye and three American unmanned aircraft “Fireby.” 4 October entered into the fray the MiG-23ML that shot down two Israeli F-15 Eagle
source http://www.airwar.ru/history/locwar/bv/mig23/mig23.html

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This at the end shows you that in war accurate reports are always tainted by a bit of bias and it applies to both sides

Сирийские ВВС успешно использовали свои Ми-24 совместно с “Газелями” в Ливане в июне 1982-го в ходе пятой арабо-израильской войны. В 93-х боевых вылетах с 6 по 11 июня вертолеты уничтожили большую часть из 55 израильских танков

The Syrian Air Force has successfully used its MI-24 helicopters , together with the french “Gazelle” in Lebanon in June 1982 the first in the fifth Arab-Israeli war. In the 93rd combat sorties from 6 to 11 June the Syrian helicopters destroyed a large part of the 55 Israeli tanks

http://www.wartechnic.ru/rus/aviation/mil/mi24/app.shtml

http://images.google.de/imgres?imgurl=http://www.acig.org/artman/uploads/syaaf_usn_a-6_down_info_1983.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.acig.org/artman/publish/article_278.shtml&h=323&w=400&sz=27&hl=de&start=8&um=1&tbnid=1vcS0yjI5HwLkM:&tbnh=100&tbnw=124&prev=/images%3Fq%3DLebanon%2B1983%2Blosses%26svnum%3D10%26um%3D1%26hl%3Dde%26lr%3Dlang_de%26client%3Dopera%26rls%3Dde%26sa%3DN

Wishfull thinking is blinding most of the time. Looking for the related details will prevent someone from such stupid errors most of the time.

The man of the details let us first analize the data

F-18 shot down in Iraq: the US addmits one of its F-18s was shot down by a Patriot; the Iraqi version says a Russian made SAm shot it down

F-16 shot down in Iraq, Images broadcast by several TV channels US says it was lost and it was an accident; the iraqies insurgets and some TV channels say it was shot down

Israeli F-16 shot down, the report says one pilot rescued other died: not confirmed by Israel

Of all these losses/accidents the fact they happened is confirmed except the Israeli F-16, the images in that way are not important as you claim why? because already they are facts

Now the whole point shows that many so called friendly fire can be called losses in action by enemy fire, or in few words that cover ups are called accidents

here we have some Israeli F-16 accidents

67 1980 F-16A
+ 8 1980 F-16B
-1 20-01-81 F-16A Эхуд Бен Амитай столкнулся с F-4E (пилот погиб)
-1 20-01-82 F-16A Илан Рамон столкнулся с другим самолетом, пилот не пострадал
-1 20-01-82 F-16A “Y” столкнулся с другим самолетов, пилот катапультировался
+51 1982 F-16C Block 30
+24 1982 F-16D Block 30
-1 1985 F-16B Ицхак потерял контроль, пилот катапультировался
-1 июль-86 F-16A Эйал Пелед пилот катапультировался
-1 03-07-86 F-16A Йозеф Элмал столкнулся с землей во время выполнения фигуры высшего пилотажа, пилот погиб
-1 07-12-86 F-16A Боаз Негорай отказ двигателя, пилот погиб при вынужденной посадке
-1 08-10-86 F-16A Гал Вейсберг пилот погиб
30 1987 F-16C Block 40
30 1987 F-16D Block 40
-1 05-10-87 F-16A Гиль Иври столкнулся с горой, пилот погиб
-1 1988 F-16B Рами столкнулся с птицей, пилот катапультировался
-1 август-94 F-16C ?? ??
-1 05-10-94 F-16D ?? ??
-1 17-01-95 F-16A Данни Оберст столкновение в воздухе, пилот погиб
-1 17-01-95 F-16A “Y” столкнулся в воздухе, пилот катапультировался
-1 18-07-95 F-16D Ронни Шломи/Ювал Биньямин столкнулся в воздухе, экипаж погиб
-1 18-07-95 F-16D ?? столкнулся в воздухе
35 1995 F-16A
15 1995 F-16B
-1 29-07-96 F-16D ?? ??
-1 29-07-96 F-16D ?? ??
-1 07-09-97 F-16B Ран/Эльдар столкновение с птицей, экипаж катапультировался
-1 09-08-98 F-16C ?? остановка двигателя, пилот катапультировался
-1 10-08-98 F-16C ?? ??
-1 28-03-99 F-16D ?? остановка двигателя, пилот катапультировался
-1 01-01-00 F-16B ?? остановка двигателя
-1 02-02-00 F-16C остановка двигателя, пилот катапультировался
-1 27-03-00 F-16D Йонатан Бегин/Лиор Харари самолет упал в море, экипаж погиб
-1 01-08-00 F-16A ?? остановка двигателя, пилот катапультировался
-1 24-02-03 F-16C ?? остановка двигателя, пилот катапультировался

67 1980 F-16A
+ August 1980 F-16B
-1 20-01-81 F-16A Ehud Ben Amitay collided with F-4E (pilot killed)
-1 20-01-82 F-16A Ilan Ramon collided with another plane, the pilot not hurt
-1 20-01-82 F-16A “Y” collided with another aircraft, the pilot ejected
51 1982 F-16C Block 30
24 1982 F-16D Block 30
-1 1985 F-16B Yitzhak lost control, the pilot ejected
-1-July 86 F-16A Eyal Peled pilot ejected
-1 03-07-86 F-16A Joseph Elmal collided with the land during the performance figures higher flight, the pilot killed
-1 07-12-86 F-16A Boaz Negoray refusal engine, the pilot died in the forced landing
-1 08-10-86 F-16A Gal Veysberg pilot killed
30 1987 F-16C Block 40
30 1987 F-16D Block 40
-1 05-10-87 F-16A Gil Ivri collided with grief, pilot killed
-1 1988 F-16B Rami collided with a bird, the pilot ejected
-1-August 94 F-16C? ? ? ?
-1 F-16D 05-10-94? ? ? ?
-1 17-01-95 F-16A Danny Oberst clash in the air, the pilot killed
-1 17-01-95 F-16A “Y” collided in the air, the pilot ejected
-1 18-07-95 F-16D Ronnie Shlomi / Yuval Benjamin collided in the air, the crew perished
-1 F-16D 18-07-95? ? collided in the air
35 1995 F-16A
15 1995 F-16B
-1 F-16D 29-07-96? ? ? ?
-1 F-16D 29-07-96? ? ? ?
-1 07-09-97 F-16B Ran / Eldar collision with a bird, the crew ejected
-1 F-16C 09-08-98? ? stop the engine, the pilot ejected
-1 F-16C 10-08-98? ? ? ?
-1 F-16D 28-03-99? ? stop the engine, the pilot ejected
-1 F-16B 01-01-00? ? stop the engine
-1 02-02-00 F-16C stop the engine, the pilot ejected
-1 27-03-00 F-16D Yonatan Begin / Lior Harari plane fell into the sea, the crew perished
-1 F-16A 01-08-00? ? stop the engine, the pilot ejected
-1 F-16C 24-02-03? ? stop the engine, the pilot ejected

source http://www.airwar.ru/history/locwar/bv/f16i/f16_isr.html

usually losses are not acknowledged, for example Russian sources claim western tanks destroyed by Iraqi Mi-24 see this

Их было всего пять. Пять Ми-24В с местными доработками, пять отборных экипажей. На начальном этапе боёв бронетехнику противника утюжили 12 иракских Ми-24В, причём, нанося противнику значительные потери, уничтожая не только бронетехнику (14 танков, 5 САУ, 12 БМП), но и транспортные вертолёты

They were only five Mi-24V. Five Mi-24V equipped, flown by five selected crews. Initially the Iraqi Mi-24V caused to the enemy great losses, not only destroying armor (14 tanks, 5 SAU 12 BMP), but transport helicopters.

source http://www.gta.keiby.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=487&pid=14540&st=0&#entry14540

here are some Israeli tanks destroyed in 1982

sourcehttp://btvt.narod.ru/2/syria1.html

Shhhh, don’t give Flogger ideas! It was bad enough trying to convince him that RAF Harrier losses over Yugoslavia in 1999 weren’t being covered up and didn’t actually take place! Of course the cover up is still very active today. RAF Cottesmore and Wittering are at breaking point trying to keep aircraft spotters and photographers from discovering those Harrier losses. The cost is immense, but still those pesky aircraft enthusiasts have not worked out how they do it? And of course Flogger hasn’t quite worked out how combat losses could remain hidden under a Blair government and still remain after he left power?

http://www.harrierlist.co.uk/

http://www.harrierlist.co.uk/List.html

http://www.thunder-and-lightnings.co.uk/spotting/cottesmore.html

http://www.thunder-and-lightnings.co.uk/spotting/wittering.html

No doubt Flogger will have all the answers?

Иракское телевидение распространило кадры, снятые на месте, куда якобы рухнул сбитый утром в четверг (ФОТО. ВИДЕО) над южным районом Ирака американский истребитель F/A-18 Hornet. И выяснилось, что русскоязычному телезрителю эта съемка может сказать больше, чем иракцу или американцу.

Накануне Ирак объявил, что ему удалось сбить F/A-18, а через некоторое время, эту информацию подтвердили и в западной коалиции. По их версии, самолет сбит ракетой земля-воздух. И вот, Ирак показывает видео-подтверждение “своего успеха”.

На кадрах видно большое количество технологического хлама и обломков непонятных металлических конструкций. Вокруг – радующиеся люди с автоматами, вероятно – иракские ополченцы, сообщает телеканал ТВС. Но, при ближайшем рассмотрении, выясняется, что надпись на одном из обломков сделана на русском языке – “Резервуар для сжатого воздуха”. Также был показан другой обломок – с различимой надписью “При транспортировке за колпаки не браться”.

Всему этому, по мнению ТВС, можно найти два объяснения: либо эти кадры – не более чем агитационный клип, для съемок которого собрали множество старых разнородных обломков военной техники, либо – это обломки сделанной в России ракеты, которая собственно, и сбила американский истребитель. Последний вариант, похоже, более вероятен – эксперты говорят, что детали с русскими надписями очень похожи на элементы конструкции старой советской ракеты 3М-8, которой комплектовались зенитные комплексы “Круг”. Подобные машины стояли на вооружении иракских ПВО.

И последнее сообщение о сбитом Hornet, которое окончательно запутывает ситуацию – телеканал SkyTV сообщил со ссылкой на источники в Пентагоне, что американский истребитель был сбит ракетой, выпущенной из комплекса Patriot, стоящего на вооружении американских ПВО..

По данным британцев, крушение F-18 стало еще одним примером так называемого “дружественного огня”, от которого союзные войска понесли пятую часть потерь. Впрочем, сообщает ТВС, эту новость британский телеканал сопровождал все той же картинкой с обломками техники советского производства.

Американские военные по-прежнему отказываются сообщить подробности инцидента и уточнить место падения самолета. Неясно также, летел ли самолет на боевое задание, или возвращался после него. Сообщается, что пилот истребителя погиб.

Iraqi television has shown images at the the spot where the alleged F-18 wreckage stands. On Thursday morning (FOTO. VIDEO) over the southern region of Iraq an American fighter F/A-18 Hornet was shot down. And it turned out that the Russian-speaking viewers, can say more than the Iraqi or American public can about the subject.

Prior to this Iraq, announced that Iraq was able to shoot down F/A-18s, and after some time, confirmed this information to the media. In their version, an Iraqi surface to air missile shot down the F-18. Now, the Iraqies have shown video evidence of their success.”

At close it coud be seen many technological trash and incomprehensible fragments of metal constructions. Surrounding it by jubilant people with machine guns, probably, the Iraqi militia, it was reported by the TV channel TVS. But when making a close view of the wreckage , it appears that the inscription on one of the wreckage fragments was written in Russian – “The shell of compressed air.” Also shown was another piece of wreckage from the inscription reading in Russian “Transportation for the caps do not.”

All this, according to TVS, you can find two explanations: either those images are no more than a campaign clip, for the downing which gathered many disparate fragments of old military equipment, or the wreckage was of Russia missiles, which in fact, shot down an American F-18 fighter. The latter option seems more likely, experts say the debris with Russian inscriptions are very similar to parts of the old Soviet missiles 3 M-8, which formed the Iraqi air defense complexes. Such machines stood armed with Iraqi air defense.

The last reported downing of an F-18 Hornet was a confusing situation, SkyTV-TV channel reported with reference to sources in the Pentagon that the American fighter was shot down by a Patriot surface to air missile of the American air defense units.

According to the British, the downing of the F-18 was another example of so-called “friendly fire” which accounted one fifth of the western coallition losses. However, TVS reports, this news was broadcast by the British TV channel with all the same pictures of debris of the Soviet-made equipment.

The American military continues to refuse to announce details of the incident and clarify the place of the crash. It was also unclear whether the aircraft was flying at a combat mission, or returning after it. It was reported that the fighter pilot was killed.

Friendly Fire, a cover up or a Russian missile shooting down a F-18? a Patriot surface to air missile or a Russian surface to air missile?
source
http://www.newsru.com/world/03apr2003/iraq_tv.html
http://forums.airbase.ru/2003/05/07/topic-19811–Sbityj-F18.html
At the end buddy if Russia got an F-14 from what ever the source is something i am not sure but at least the Ministry of defence of the Soviet Union wrote a book about the F-14 interesting do not you think so?

The Americans do give f.e.
January 17th 1991, Central Iraq (H-2/H-3), F/A-18C 163484 (AA 403) VFA81, USS Saratoga (CV-60) ……….
The Russians do give f.e.
“Already in 1993, the United States Air Force admitted a MiG-25 victory over an F-18, this MiG-25 did not use the outdated R-40R , but rather the modern R-40TD. it was fired from a distance of about 50 km and the United States “Sparrow” had not had the opportunity to confront the long-range missiles the MiG-25 had.”

The Russians do stick to the USAF information from 1993. No real details about that, just the claim it was a R-40TD and not a R-40R. See range of both and other variants of that. That Russians did not know what variant of AIM-7* the VFA did field f.e., but that is enough for true believers already.

Sorry, too many details again!!! Its your work to pinpoint to that and not mine, when it comes to your Russian “source”.

For me it looks like a desperate attempt to restore the damaged proud into Russian weaponary at first. For the Iraqis and the USA it will change nothing. A defeat is a defeat. No need for counter claims.

I am quoting Adrian 44 from post# 359

see what he wrote same as the russians

I wish when it comes to confirmed kills or acknowledgments of aircraft lost or damaged, that there is one position or source of which would formally speak for all the air forces of a particular country. To me a good example of the many sources for kill information is the first night of the PGW#1, when an F/A-18C was shot down by a MiG-25PD. First claim of loss was by the US Navy that a SAM killed the F/A-18C. Two years later the USAF announced that the AWACS’ ESM gear had picked the MiG-25PD’s radar lock-on signal and credits the kill to the MiG-25PD, using a R-40T Missile. The Iraqi Air Force had not previously credited any pilots with a kill for that conflict.

You will not see the main difference, will you. In FRG and the former GDR people did lie, even politicans and none did question that. In an open society you will find a lot of people, who will challenge that lies and do investigate for the truth. In some countries the “truth” is held by a single party. All the ones who trie to challenge that are on the way into prison. So there are not many to find there. In China the internet is censored. The ones who try to outsmart that are in personal danger. This forum is a good example of freedom of speech. At least you do present a different view of reality.

I am not arguing politics i am just telling you what the other sides says for example this what i found in a Russian forum about the 1991 war in the gulf war, this was what the Russians knew about the american losses.

что американцы не потеряли в воздушных боях не одной машины не является ни чем иным, как очередным «Шедевром» американской пропаганды. Уже в 1993 году ВВС США признало победу МиГа 25 над F-18, при этом, МиГ-25 использовал не устаревшие Р-40Р, а довольно-таки современные Р-40ТД. Пуск был произведён с дистанции около 50км и американские «Спэрроу» не имели возможности противостоять дальним ракетам МиГа. Оставшиеся 3 «восемнадцатых» ретировались на свой авианосец, а А-7 «Корсары» убегая от МиГа попали под огонь ЗРК «Куб» (Два корсара было сбито). Впоследствии, иракские военные предоставили сведения о ещё трёх сбитых американских самолётах, запечатлённых на лентах кинофотопулемётов. Один F-15 был сбит МиГом-29 ракетой средней дальности(точных сведений была ли это ракета Р-27 большей мощности и дальности или же Р-24, нет). А-10 «Тандерболт» был сбит вертолётом Ми-24 ракетой Р-60М на встречном курсе с дистанции в четыре километра. Ну а самая неприятная для Америки победа – это сбитый F-16 устаревшим МиГом 23 ракетой Р-60М из задней полусферы (кстати, российское телевидение показывало кадры вышеуказанных воздушных боёв, особенно красиво смотрелся разваливавшийся А-10). Вообще-то, иракцы берегли свои всего три типа современных машин – МиГи 25 и 29 и вертолёты Ми-24.
Андрей Шитяков.

translation
Is not that the Americans did not loose in the air battles any aircraft, but that it is yet another “masterpiece” of American propaganda. Already in 1993, the United States Air Force admitted a MiG-25 victory over an F-18, this MiG-25 did not use the outdated R-40R , but rather the modern R-40TD. it was fired from a distance of about 50 km and the United States “Sparrow” had not had the opportunity to confront the long-range missiles the MiG-25 had. The remaining 3 F-18s retreated to their aircraft carrier, and the A-7 “Corsair” came under the MiG-25s fire ” (Two Corsair were shot down). Subsequently, the Iraqi military had provided information on three more downed American planes on tape. One F-15 was shot down by MiG-29 medium-range missiles (the exact information whether it was R-27 missile of greater power and range, or it was a R-24, is not known). A-10 “Thunderbolt” was shot down by a helicopter Mi-24 with R-60M at the distance of four kilometers. But the most unpleasant victory for the Americans is a downed F-16 by an outdated MiG 23 that fired from the rear an R-60M (by the way, Russian television showed images above aerial battles, especially about the beautiful A-10). .
Andrei Zityakov.

Did the american loose F-15s, F-16s and A-10s? the answer is yes but the american account is little bit different they do not say air battles but SAMs destroyed their aircraft and they do not claim A-7s were destroyed
source

http://airbase.ru/wars/1991-iraque/

Bad style only. Questioning the credibility of one side does not free you to use the same yardstick for the other side.
Non did force Israel to reveal the loss of that Kfir to Lebanon. It was landing back and landing/take-off accidents do happen in Israel as everywhere. In both cases the pilots were wounded and that the main topic around more than thousand people at Hatzor AB. Most of that did sleep at home by the way. The Moshavim are very close to the fence of the AB. The fire brigade did not go unnoticed.
Here are pics of two Mirages heavily damaged by that in October 1973.
http://idfaf.110mb.com/MirageIII/MirageMain.html
Both were repaired and sold to Argentina. Every combat loss of F-4/A-4 after 1970 was to be replaced on a one to one basis for free. Despite that Israel did repair some to get a higher number in the inventory. So the USA did demand to replace true losses only. The USA did exercise a strict control about the number of fighters delivered. So nothing to hide really. Israel is small and a free society. So every secret there is limited in time. Claiming something wrong will undermine the faith of the soldiers there. Most of that do not live in the wrong view of “honor”. But I am shure, you will not like that. Too much details do shatter you believe, that both sides do deserve the same credibility without questioning it.

Man please stop the jingoism, in this world such things you are saying are pure fantasy, happily i know all humans are the same, the Israelies are like any other society, there is no better or worse societies there is only more industrialized ones, humans do cheat and lie independiently of their society they live in.

In fact when a society thinks they are better than other is when they justify war and violence against other, all humans and all societies have good and bad things and moraly speaking all societies do make mistakes.

The Soviet Union or communist China or the US have their good and bad things, it is a fact the vast majority of aircraft Israel admits as shot down in 1982 had POWs and these losses were known in part by the Palestinians boasting to TV reporters of their military victories.

The Syrian can lie too, i have not seen too much evidence of their claims, however it does not mean Israel always states the true, Israel also censored even american reports and if you have had the chance to seen American TV programs related to the 1982 you will know that both sides can not be trusted, even the americans were skeptical of some Israeli claims, if they do sponsor the Israeli claims it is in part for political alliances.
But believe me Sens Nations are generalizations, individuals are different, not all the citizens of a nation are always saying the truth in every nation there are people who say the truth and those who say lies.