RE: lonely planet
I use them all the time. Frequently wrong / out of date, but more frequently right and bags of use. Very readable (same passage twenty times, with buses, trains etc). Use them as my sole travel guide. Many countries have been gone through with just them. Top marks.
RE: lonely planet
I use them all the time. Frequently wrong / out of date, but more frequently right and bags of use. Very readable (same passage twenty times, with buses, trains etc). Use them as my sole travel guide. Many countries have been gone through with just them. Top marks.
RE: Ultimate holiday ?
6 months, Thailand, Myanmar, Thailand, Laos, Vietnam, Cambodia, Thailand, Singapore, Malaysia, home. In that order, overland crossings. Me, my rucksack, my Lonely Planert guides, and my camera gear.
RE: Ultimate holiday ?
6 months, Thailand, Myanmar, Thailand, Laos, Vietnam, Cambodia, Thailand, Singapore, Malaysia, home. In that order, overland crossings. Me, my rucksack, my Lonely Planert guides, and my camera gear.
RE: Rebuild or Replica??
When I go to Duxford for a show, I see ‘original’ aircraft in the museum part of it. I then step outside and see aircraft overhead. If I want to see something 100% original, then its not going to be up in the air. Or not up in the air for very long. If I want to see a Spitfire in the air, then I can. If I want to see a Spitfire on the ground, then I can. If I want to see a survivor, then I can. Lets look at it slightly sideways…..
The BF109E at Duxford. The straboard mainplane is in original paint, with damage and graffiti. The rest is restored. I am more fascinated by that airframe than any pther there, as a mix of what was, what is, and what it would have been. Now, if that were to fly, it would add the HOW it was, is etc.
If it only takes a makers plate for a Spit to be a Spit, and everything can be made, then for Gods sake somebody please find or make some makers plates of more, of Typhoons and Tempests, of Stirlings and Wimpys, of all the others. I WANT TO SEE FLYERS (as were). And before the show, i’ll look at the ‘originals’. I love them both.
RE: Have a Read Of This
What did you expect from a warmongering prick trying to write his name into history books?
HONESTY???????????
RE: Have a Read Of This
What did you expect from a warmongering prick trying to write his name into history books?
HONESTY???????????
RE: Another meet up ? See some ‘planes and have a chat / pie / pint etc
Happened to Johnny Wiseman. Valentines day 1943. Killed by (Probably) Egon Mayer.
Ah yes, you’re not yet married – hmm, mustn’t be so unfeeling on Valentines weekend…..
Send her to Oxford street man!
1st and 2nd March? Or should we all send Damien a postcard…..
RE: Another meet up ? See some ‘planes and have a chat / pie / pint etc
Okay, plan (Damien) B. Feb 15th, possibly 16th as well? Anyone not able?
RE: Addition to an archived thread on aviation poetry.
I’m afraid I din’t Kev. Yet. Details MAY turn up – I get constantly more and more stuff through. Heres something else for you, from a contemporary press cutting:
I WAS with them every day in that great Battle for Britain twelve months ago, those fighter pilots of the Royal Air Force. Saw them going up against overwhelming odds.
I was in a position to watch their progress, see the fight, hear the voice come over the R.T. and hear the grand “Tally Ho”
I had breakfast with them and found empty places at lunch.
Laughed with the boys at lunch and found my companions missing at the tea table. Again, at dinner, there was a vacant chair.
And underneath the chaff and banter my heart was tearing to pieces, for my son was a fighter too.
Then during the early hours of the winter mornings, when the clouds were down to 1,000ft. or perhaps 500ft., we would see some maimed “bird” trying to get home from a perilous trip over the other side.
No One knew what was in my heart as I helped in the “homing.” It might be my boy.
A few months ago word came that the Group Captain had lost his own son. I saw his brave struggle to keep his “chin up” day after day until he was ordered away for a rest – away from the drome and the everlasting reminder. My heart felt for him, and I wrote the lines set out in verse below. They were written in tribute to another mans son. I did not know how prophetic they would be.
“Keep Your Chin Up, Duggie”
RECENTLY my son’s squadron has been stationed much nearer to me and has come within my “vision”. When on duty I knew when they took off on their journeys over the North of France; watched them going over; knew when they met the enemy. Whilst I have carried on I have been saying:
“There goes my son. Keep your chin up, Duggie. God guard and bring you back safely to a happy landing.”
As they have wandered back and landed there was the counting up and the final tally. Then the waiting to know if my boy was safe.
So it has been day after day. And day after day I have been silently holding on to him, willing his safe return.
When he visited me a few weeks ago we were having a drink in the mess, the padre and his son, my son and I. A very cheerful wing – commander came in. I saw the sudden light of hero worship in the eyes of my twenty – two – year – old son when I said, “This is Wing – Commander Bader.”
I knew that that same light was in my eyes whenever I looked at my son, there for all to see.
A few weeks later I had thirty – six hours leave. I wanted my boy to meet me somewhere in the country. So at ten o’ clock at night, when I believed he would have been off duty and returned from a couple of hours with his pals, I tried to get through.
The delay in connecting was irritating, and when eventually I got through the line was bad and I could not understand why various people answered but not my son.
I could usually visualise his grin and the way he would rush to the ‘phone before he yelled “hello Dad.”
It was different this time, frighteningly different.
When at last a voice replied that I thought would be his, I shouted “Duggie! Is that Duggie?”
A voice faintly said “Mr Cropper is missing.”
Those dreadful words….
After a time I asked when it happened.
“Earlier this evening” came the reply.
“These Are His Wings”
I SAW his Squadron Leader and Adjutant. Of that interview in which they were so kind I remember little.
They showed me a copy of the letter they had already posted to me. An official sort of affair: “Pilot Officer Cropper….Missing, believed killed.”
They also told me:-
“It was his third trip over France that day. He had been shot up on the first trip and was, as all pilots are, given the chance of standing down. Douglas would not hear of it. He was a grand pilot and had all the ‘guts’ in the world.”
“These are your sons wings,” said his Squadron Leader.
My son’s wings.
Wings which he carried gloriously. Wings which are sewn inside my tunic and which will go with me until that day when we say again “Hello, Duggie,” and “Hello, Dad.”
And the verses which I wrote for another man are now for myself as well.
I am still praying for those words to come which overjoyed me when I overheard them of Bader. “Safe, but a prisoner.”
Those to whom these boys are beloved, those for whom they brave the great Unknown and lay down their lives, what can we do for them?
Show them that we, too, have “All the guts in the world.” Help them to finish this ghastly thing and to make it certain that there shall be no more wars. So that the boys of twenty – two shall live for the world, not die for it.
God bless, boys. Happy landings.
Bernard D. Cropper, 2nd Lt., R.A.
A Tribute
TO MY WINGED SON
We played together, you and I, my son,
From early morn till day was done.
What boundless love was ours, what joy, what fun;
Together, you and I, my son.
It seems but only yesterday that I
Bought you an aeroplane to fly.
You were eleven. I still see your eyes
So bright as your craft flew the skies.
You did not flinch when called to do or die,
(So proud was I at your reply);
But took your wings to battle in the sky.
I only wish ‘twere you and I.
I too, must fight, and pray to God that we
May be united when ‘tis done.
I also humbly pray that He make me
As great a man as you, my son.
Bernard D. Cropper, 2nd Lt., R.A.
His son was:
60762 Pilot Officer DOUGLAS LINDSAY CROPPER
609 (West Riding) Squadron
Killed in Action, Saturday 16 August 1941
Buried at PIHEN-LES-GUINES COMMUNAL CEMETERY, Pas de Calais, France
I don’t (as yet) appear to have a photo.
(I wonder who the Group Captain was?)
RE: Another meet up ? See some ‘planes and have a chat / pie / pint etc
Ok – any objections to February 22nd (with additional 23rd if anyone fancies it?)
Runnymede first thing, for anyone who wants to turn up there, with main RV at Hendon, 10:30 in the foyer bit.
Depending on how long it takes to look at all the exhibits, IWM for a look – see (leaving a proper visit with extra’s for Ashley to arrange later on in the year), OR straight to the pub. TBC on the day perhaps, would be wisest.
If anyone is staying over the night, then we can plan a further day of visits in the pub, from amongst those suggested previously in the thread.
Is it worthwhile me trying to organise something other than a visit at Hendon? Any ideas on something to ask the staff to do for us?
RE: Firewalls & IP Addresses??????????????
How does one turn off file and print sharing I ask?
My OS is Windows 2000 Pro
RE: Firewalls & IP Addresses??????????????
How does one turn off file and print sharing I ask?
My OS is Windows 2000 Pro
RE: Headstones
Not so – it was generally spelt as Serjeant in WW1 – certainly my Great Grandfather was (Lancer). Even says SJT on his ‘Pip, Squeak and Wilfred’ and dogtag. Check out on the CWGC site for WW1 ‘Sarnt’s’ and it will come up with that. Surprised me at first – an evolution of a word I guess.
RE: Ludham
Library? Me? I went to look for a phone in there, but never been in a Norfolk library in my life! Flixton does have quite tasty beer though, and there’a another place nearby too that is quite good – where Janie is kept.