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  • in reply to: A surprise on Remembrance Sunday. #2101231
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    RE: A surprise on Remembrance Sunday.

    [updated:LAST EDITED ON 11-11-02 AT 06:34 PM (GMT)]Well, here’s what I’ve been able to glean from my library etc today, written up for your pleasure!. There are actually four pilots from the squadron (at the time Johnny was on it’s strength) that are still alive. With added bits to make it publishable, this is off to the papers tomorrow. Fingers crossed on getting the ball rolling!

    1333551 Sergeant John George ‘Johnny’ Wiseman.

    Sergeant ‘Johnny’ Wiseman, the son of Percy Edwin and Hilda Marjorie Wiseman, was from a small Norfolk Village called Ashby-with-Oby. During World War Two, he trained as a pilot, being posted to 609 (West Riding) Squadron in 1942 to fly fighters. (Incidentally, Johnny is seen in the Boulting Brothers PR film ‘Between Friends’, where their Flight Commander Joe Atkinson says “That’s Johnny, he’s from Yarmouth, where they catch herrings you know!”)

    On the day of his death it was ‘A’ flights turn to come to readiness, and Johnny took off as one-half of Red Section in perfect flying weather from RAF Manston in Kent. Also patrolling was Yellow Section, consisting of the Belgian (and future Commanding Officer) Raymond ‘Cheval’ Lallemand and Polish pilot ‘Tony’ Polek. Their mission was to protect some Royal Navy Motor Torpedo Boats in difficulties close to the French coast. During the night, the MTB’s had been making a nuisance of themselves around the French ports, and one was now lying disabled in the Straits of Dover off Cap Gris-Nez. With dawn breaking, and still in range of the German coastal artillery, attempts were made to tow it to safety, as the men on board were now at the mercy of the German Luftwaffe who would surely soon appear.

    Sergeant Wiseman and Flight Sergeant Haddon were tasked with the job of close escort, while Lallemand and Polek patrolled close by, ready to help if needed. Then bad luck struck the Navy. The cable used to tow the stricken vessel snapped (though they were now fortunately out of range of the guns). With the boats now stationary, Wiseman and Haddon could do no more than circle relentlessly around them. It was around this time that contact was lost between Red Section and Bill Igoe (the Sector Controller at RAF Biggin Hill) and Yellow Section (who were now Mid-Channel)

    At around 1100 hrs on 14th February 1943, Johnny was shot down whilst flying Hawker Typhoon R7872 PR-S, by a Focke-Wulf FW190 of III/JG2. This same Focke-Wulf also shot down Flight Sergeant Alan ‘Babe’ Haddon, who was flying Hawker Typhoon DN294 PR-O. The Captain of the immobile MTB was later to tell ‘Cheval’ Lallemand that the Focke-Wulfs had come up on the Typhoons just above sea level, and unable to give a warning to the pilots they could only watch as one aircraft was seen to go down in flames, while the other folded up ‘like a book’ and also crashed into the sea.

    Shortly afterwards, Yellow Section engaged the first of two flights of four German fighters, altogether claiming two Focke-Wulfs confirmed destroyed and one probable, with Polek (in his first combat) claiming two probables. They were then joined by fellow 609 Squadron pilots Roy Payne and another Belgian, Jean De Selys Longchamps, who proceeded to destroy another FW190 apiece off Calais.

    The Nine O’ Clock News that night announced: “In the course of defensive patrols over the English Channel, Typhoons of Fighter Command destroyed five Focke-Wulf 190’s, the latest type of German fighter. Two of our pilots failed to return.”

    in reply to: Tempests #2101252
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    RE: Tempests

    Up for sale? Do you mean Kermit Weeks’ Tempest V? Ummm, I’m starting a whip round – I want it!

    From what I gather, there is a slight problem with getting hold of Sabre Engines. Somewhere online there is a listing of all the surviving Tempest airframes, and where they are. I’ll try and track it down at home tonight. Or you could see Flypast’s May 2002 issue, that has it in.

    in reply to: TV 'Heads Up' #2101293
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    RE: TV ‘Heads Up’

    I have the internet now, I don’t need a TV. But, specially for you Moggy, I shall curtail my endless surfing next Sunday and give you an opinion. How does she compare to Tara or Suzannah?

    in reply to: A surprise on Remembrance Sunday. #2101296
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    RE: A surprise on Remembrance Sunday.

    [updated:LAST EDITED ON 11-11-02 AT 10:37 AM (GMT)]Success. I’ve just spoken to the area manager of my local Timpson’s Key Cutting / Shoe Repairing shop (local branch being Lowestoft). Timpsons have agreed to supply and engrave a brass plaque (I’m looking at 10” x 8” with text and Squadron Badge) for free. That is a fantastic contribution to the fund, and a great kick start! Now to find out about plinths – no idea who makes / supplies them, but then I can always make a mould and fill it with concrete myself, a 6ft (got to bury part) concrete post isn’t rocket science. Then I guess it’s down to getting permission from Parish, Local, and district Councils to put it in place. That would be the time consuming bit I guess! I suppose I should really double check that there is no memorial anywhere, but then why should I let that stop me…..!

    Best I aim for the 60th anniversary, 14th February 2003. Details of the action are in both ‘Under The White Rose’ by Frank Ziegler and ‘Rendezvous With Fate’ by Raymond Lallemand. I will write it all up later, because I’m going to need it for the papers anyway. After he and ‘Babe’ Haddon were shot down, Lallemand and Tony Polek went up, followed by Roy Payne and Jean De Selys. Lallemand and Payne are both still alive, so I may be able to get some info about Johnny from them. The Squadron Association has nothing more than I already have on Johnny, but his service records are a good idea, as is the local press – an appeal for relatives and information is planned anyway, through an article, with the EDP, Great Yarmouth Mercury, and Great Yarmouth and Gorleston Advertiser (with luck they will all run it). I think I shall submit to Flypast and Aeroplane Monthly too, and the RAF news. I also looked at the 1901 census (it works now at last!) and there were a few names for Wiseman’s born in Ashby-With-Oby (probably including his father) on there, so it’s quite likely that I will find some relatives. In addition, quite out of the blue, I bumped into my old Platoon Commander (I was in the TA for a while) at a funeral on Friday – it turns out that he is now an officer in the Royal Auxiliary Air Force and based at Marham. An Honour guard is called for I think….. Sudden thought: BBMF flypast?

    I’d better stop for now, as I always get carried away. If any of you have further idea’s on how to cut through the red tape, how to jazz the ceremony up etc, please let me know.

    in reply to: Belgian Pilots flying with the RAF #2101839
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    RE: Belgian Pilots flying with the RAF

    Thanks for that BRAF – I may well say hello to himsoon. I am currently working on something with these pictures, (can’t say what, but watch this space!) but I am also rather obsessed with Six-Cent-Neuf (ever since building a model Typhoon in Pinkie Starks markings and reading ‘Under the White Rose’ by Frank Ziegler). I have basically all the books authored by 609 members (via http://www.abebooks.com ) and am researching the squadron for fun. It’s kind of good to have a focus for my interest – I went from Typhoons to humans, so I guess it’s more ‘alive’ for me now!

    Well, must go to bed now. Night all!

    in reply to: One for all you lancaster nuts on here…! #2102033
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    RE: One for all you lancaster nuts on here…!

    I too think he meant ‘Just Jane’. I had one foot firmly in my mouth.

    in reply to: One for all you lancaster nuts on here…! #2102099
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    RE: One for all you lancaster nuts on here…!

    A Farmer? I know of an Alan Farmer, could that be him? Didn’t know he had a barn. Keep me posted, that would be a wonderful achievement, and he may let the public see it.

    in reply to: Belgian Pilots flying with the RAF #2102106
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    RE: Belgian Pilots flying with the RAF

    This may also be of help:

    http://ibelgique.ifrance.com/baha2/Webpages/baha_masters.htm

    (It’s amazing how you find bits by accident, don’t you think?)

    in reply to: Belgian Pilots flying with the RAF #2102109
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    RE: Belgian Pilots flying with the RAF

    Giovanni Dieu DFC was with 609 Squadron From August 1941 – Aug 1942, having been in 236 sqn in 1940 during the Battle of Britain, and moving to 245 sqn afterwards. He got a 190 in March 1942.

    Here’s another site with Gonnay mentioned:

    http://users.belgacom.net/prosvdb/angleterre.html

    Pic 1: Francois De Spirlet, Giovanni Dieu, Danny Barber, Roger Malengreau, Biggin Hill.

    Pic 2: Francois De Spirlet, Frank ‘Ziggy’ Ziegler, Bob Wilmet, Giovanni Dieu, Jean Offenberg, Roger Malengreau
    Attachments:
    http://www.keypublishing.com/forum/importedfiles/3dbf1215aa4dd8b3.jpg
    http://www.keypublishing.com/forum/importedfiles/3dbf126caa9d217c.jpg

    in reply to: What airfield am I? #2102236
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    RE: What airfield am I?

    Answers to my ones

    12) The last tomb. Graves end
    13) Heavy blokes. Mans ton
    14) Brambles on this desert. Thorney Island
    15) Winding Stream. Bent waters
    16) Punch the cuddly toy. Box ted
    17) Cake of mince (Not politically correct clue, my apologies). Bun Gay
    18) Excavate the Bumble. Dig By
    19) Peeper. Eye
    20) The Value of Sleet. Hales worth
    21) Where Bonnets are Grown. Hat field
    22) 60+ fortresses (think laterally for this one). B77 (60 + B17)

    in reply to: Pics to share #2102303
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    RE: Pics to share

    And make sure you click JPEG and don’t leave it on the HTML default.

    in reply to: What airfield am I? #2102310
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    RE: What airfield am I?

    Nope. Not wing. Whats a Fortress? And think 2nd TAF.

    in reply to: Belgian Pilots flying with the RAF #2102322
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    RE: Belgian Pilots flying with the RAF

    Now that I look, the name on the back of the card looks like Witmeur – could this be the chap? Doesn’t tie in with wartime bomber pilots, but there is a pic on this webpage:

    http://home.clara.net/clinchy/a3.htm

    Have seen your site before BRAF – a VERY good and informative site. My interest is with 609 Squadron, and your write-up of ‘Duke’ De Monceau is very good. In fact, the info I found on Gonay is from your site. A thoroughly excellent resource!

    in reply to: What airfield am I? #2102373
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    RE: What airfield am I?

    The answers to mine are correct Sparky. Apologies for Bungay, but it’s just down the road, so I had to include it…

    in reply to: What airfield am I? #2102389
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    RE: What airfield am I?

    Hmmm. Not many takers on the quizzes.

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