Basing a whole purchasing plan…. which Australia is doing for most of it’s NCW weapons, for something like this, at this time is a huge huge risk. A mixed bag of conventional aircraft and F-22 is a much safer play.

RAAF and JSF has the potential to suck the life out of other defense programs if it falls on it’s face with performance that isn’t up to the customers standards. RAAF is still facing a potential gap if any more risk shows up in JSF. A gap where they will have to retire some of their existing capability and wait with no capability. One has to at least consider, that RAAF and JSF needs a solid backup plan in place if Aussie politicos see any JSF problems start to grow out of the risk comfort zone.

I`ll agree on this one. It`s to early to make any conclusion’s yet, and a backup plan is a good idea. Australia is a large country, witch gives them a large need of speed and range. The F-22 is superior in these points. Rising threats like cruisemissiles attack can be a big worry. The F-22 also gives Australia the deepstrike capability’s they want.

30% !!! Sounds a little much in my ears. Pretty nice increasment capability’s the EJ200 has then.

Again you have to understand RED-Blue warfare. They dont pair two equally competant sets of situations together. Their are occasions when the Blue has AWACS and the Reds have GCI as this is the most likely scenario. Blue has dedicated assets that try and taking out the GCi whilest Reds have ground SAM’s and other defences (which can be as good as S-300’s) ..there are instances where the reds are totally jammed and defenceless and others where Evereything goes wrong for the blues as aircrafts are called back due to simulated technical failures etc etc etc ..overall both RED-BLUE arent meant to be equally competant but simulate various instances that are more likely to happen in real combat. That is why the kill ratios are skewed up a little. We cannot really gauge the performance other then the fact that the raptor (and its team) kicked real Butt…I posted the exact procedure on how blue vs red engagements work at the F-22A thread ( i posted it for flex). These multi million dollar exercises arent meant to pit the 2 best situations at each other and see what comes out on top but pit 2 realistic situations against each other .

I agree. What this exersice really shows, is how effective the netcentric warfare can be with the right tactics and strategy. To those who think that this whole exersice is one big commercial, I think you are totaly wrong. But that the RESULTS in any of these exersice can be used in commercials, promotion, propoganda, advertisement and so on is nothing new, and are becoming more and more frequently used.

Luckly Norway is a partnerland in the JSF development. That way we does`nt get any
L.O. tech Export version, if we deside to chose the JSF as our next fighter.

Would be interesting to know what the F-15s killration where on that exersice. Maybe 120:1 😀 Can those who know the F-15s killration please answare 🙂

I know that my own country Norway, have had 72 F-16A/B blk10 and 2 blk16. Now there are`nt that many left. Many of them written off due to in air enginefailor, hydraulics and flightcontrol trubble. The 57 that still flys have now been in Norwegian service for about 26 years, some are upgraded to F-16 MLU M3, and will be started their upgrade to F-16 MLU M4 this year, while the rest will be upgraded later(12 each year). But anyway. Maybe I should try to stay ontopic…

Wow! That’s a heck of a plume. I hope it doesn’t do that until burnout.

He,he,he!! Maybe its supposed to smoke the enemy fighters out of the skies :diablo: