I fear that if the film is accurate it won’t go down that well.

If Gibson is portrayed as he was actually, with his distance from all but the officer pilots, having little or nothing to do with the NCOs, and if the myth about handpicked crews is dispensed with I can see no end of outcry.

Moggy

Moggy.
Are we then to have a ‘Fluffy Gibson’?
I knew an old boy who had seen Gibson at his work and he described him ‘as a bit of a boy–who got the job done’.
I can’t see a modern director portraying him like that.

Andy.

lets be brutaly honnest if it was someone that was capable of giving a fair fight your average copper nowadays would cra* his pants and look for the big bumper book of health and safety excuses for inactivity !!

Yes I agree.
I have a mate who’s a retired copper in Luton.
Last year when the EDL were marching there (and panic had pretty much set in) he commented that he didn’t know what the fuss was about, back in the day when Luton Town FC were in the old first division they used to have a bundle once a fortnight.

I bet they wouldn’t have jumped on his bonnet if he’d had been a fellow ‘Cautious Man’.

Personally speaking, my confidence in the filf plummets daily. Today we have it in the news that a conference call involving a PCeU [Police Central e-crime Unit] representative and a memeber of the FBI was broadcast by hackers on the internet.
Now if I was plod, I’d be slightly concerned that the old security net was so moth eaten that a load of teenagers were listening in, but I’d be a bloody sight more worried that one of the unit’s finest thought The Bull Ring was in Sheffield..!

A.

I just need those six numbers, just six thats all :diablo:

Yes, but you’ll keep it at blinkin’ Sywell.
:);):)

Don’t, I could write a book–several books.
My fear is that all places that inspire passions are going to be the same.
Railways, motorcycle clubs, everything–including of course aviation.
My somewhat cynical attitude here is often I think a by product of what I’ve seen.
A.

Andy, Yes it was Jim Norris.:) I guess the reason I was given a behind the scenes tour, was because that day, I had donated a mint hand riveter gun, from which I later received a nice letter stating they would be used to rivet the skins on the wings of the Spitfire they are restoring. Apparently it will cut the time do do this job by a lot, and I got a nice warm feeling on the drive home. Ain’t life full of surprises,
I had actualy gone down there to try and get 2 different rotary engine spark plugs I.Dd, but no one could, and the Collection, which as you know has a comprehensive collection of it’s own didn’t have the 2 I had.
Are you aware of any books on rotary engined spark plugs?,
Jim.

Lincoln .7

Jim,
I was there.
Rory took the rivet gun off you.
I think you had a chat with quite a group of us.

I lurk in the vehicle section.
Vintage motorcycles are my thing–although Jim is no stranger to them either.

A.

Andy in Beds.
Hi Andy, many thanks for the input. I find the rotary engines absolutely mind boggling in it’s construction, ie some had no throttles, and to cut airspeed, they just cut one or two cylinders off from the fuel supply.
I was down at the Shuttleworth Collection, not so long ago, and was given a behind the scenes tour by Jim, he showed me a Clerget they had nearly fully restored. It”s fantastic how these old engines were built to last.
Thanks for the offer, I will no doubt be in touch.
Jim.
Lincoln .7

Jim Norris..?
Lovely guy, I know him well.
Actually, I think we met that day.

It was the Gnome of about 150 hp that was the one with lots of blipping cylinders, no real throttle and only one driven valve per cylinder.
I think Bentley went into cars when he left the navy, about 1919. I think in partnership with his brother.
Cricklewood came to my mind as a location and the first model was a four cylinder of 3 litres capacity.

I’d love to see a BR.2 in a car.
I’d imagine the transmission of power to the wheels would be an interesting engineering exercise though.
I think it has been done though.
A.

Jim.
Why didn’t you post this in historic?
Anyway, not cars but aeroplane engines–the cars came later.
Yes, well they did.
W.O. Bentley, who was a serving Naval officer, actually built the A.R.1 (that was Admiralty Rotary type 1) rotary first. That eventually became the Bentley BR.1. The majority of RNAS Camels had BR.1’s fitted.
As oposed to Le Rhone or Clerget engines in RFC Camels.

He then went on to develop the BR.2 of about 230 hp.
This powered the Snipe, Salamander (ground attack machine) and a couple of other things.

Happy to discuss more on Great War Engines if you need anything.
Andy.