Also be prepared that The French dont really like us – you will see lots of US, French and Canadian flags. Very few UK flags. Signs for Pegasus Bridge are non existent until 200 m out..

Never found that.
I’ve travelled the length of breadth of the country and never found it.
My sister lived there and I have many French friends.
They do get a bit pissed off if you ‘dis’ their language and culture–but then again who doesn’t??
You’d be actually amazed about how many French people are Anglophiles.
This includes a mate in Bordeaux who collects British motorbicycles and his wife who watches Midsommer Murders dubbed into French..!

‘Your countryside is so beautiful..!’

The Daily Hate would love us all to believe the French are a load of garlic eating, wine swilling Brit haters who surrender in every war. Nothing could be further from the truth.
Andy

Can´t think why I bothered to type all that out last night, as you apparently were capable neither of understanding it, nor constructing any kind of argument as to why I´m so wrong. But hey, why bother when you can just keep on making infantile attempts at being patronising, in the deluded belief that it makes you look better? I´m done banging my head against this particular wall of ignorance.

You still haven’t made one realistic statement about why aircraft doing impossible things is good cinema or why CGI can’t be utilised to make aircraft do the possible rather than the impossible–or indeed made any sort of cogent argument about cinema, which I assume is your chosen profession.
Your need to resort to insult makes me think you argue without conviction.
The film will bomb, you know that just as well as I do.

If you think a few insults hurled at me by the likes of you, from the sidelines is going to stop me on a lifelong campaign to improve what we see from the mass media, then you’re delusional. My campaign may well fail, it certainly won’t make a jot of difference but I for one, won’t sit back and happily except that we are only good enough to be entertained by sh1t, because it’s a) easier to make sh1t than anything good, b) the money men make more money out of crap product, c) because we’re at the bottom of the heap, we can be given second best, etc etc etc.

As to my ‘infantile attempts at being patronising, in the deluded belief that it makes me look better’…

Guilty as charged. Why should I try to be reasonable when dealing with those who are so obviously so ‘limited’?

Andy

“Have you never watched…”
Have you ever watched an aircraft in flight from a few meters away from its wingtip and had the ability to move freely around it in flight?

Yes thanks.
Would you like me to provide you with a list..?
As JDK said, thanks to Lord Patterson of Kansas City, I did a bit of Sea Fury pillion. Steve was very generous with the sharing of his aeroplanes back in the day and he remains a close friend.

As to the rest of your post that followed, I deleted it in the quote boxes because forum rules suggest that one doesn’t make huge unnecessary ‘quotes’ and because I believe you must be employed by lucas industries as a PR man..! At least you made me laugh on a Sunday morning.
Robbo is right, I am too polite, but your denial of basic physics had me smiling over my breakfast Coffee.

For all future reference on this thread, please refer (and read carefully) what JDK has to say. I agree wholeheartedly with his opinions on the subject. The thing is, he’s a clever wordsmith, and I’m just a grubby electrician and (even grubbier) motorbike restorer from Norfolk–so I have several language disadvantages–He says it much better than I do…:).
But to strive for quality is good–and it may be the only hope we have left. Although that discussion is too deep for here and certainly too depressing for a July Sunday morning–when the roads are dry and at least one of my motorcycles is currently roadworthy.
In closing, I’d like to reiterate something from above.
if you’re so sure this film is the spanking triumph of cinematography that you seem to assert, why haven’t you named your charity..? Or is it that Dr Elisabeth Svendsen’s Donkey Sanctuary in Devon is to be ten Pounds the richer..?
Here’s a link to their website. You’ll note that you can donate via that site.

http://www.thedonkeysanctuary.org.uk/home

Please give generously.
Andy.

PS. Yes ‘clart’. Several years ago when I moved to Bedfordshire, I had some work done on my house. An old boy called John was the plumber. He variously described much of inferior quality as ‘clart’, as he dangled a cigarette from his lips and made copper pipe do unnatural things around bends in my loft. When questioned he informed me that ‘Clart’ was an old Bedfordshire word for
sh1t.
Actually, many of the people here who think inferior work is OK, because no one knows better, could learn a lesson from John. It didn’t matter that the pipework in the loft was hidden, it still had to be done right–because it was his job. Take that thought into your day.

No son – you were talking about the two minutes of script, direction and the CGI of a film that you haven´t seen yet.

What is supposed to be so utterly “rubbish” about these CGI images? As it happens I have spent several years doing computer animations in the line of my work, so I do know quite a lot about it. I can tell you now, that it´s very time consuming and fiddly and there´s nothing easy about it. There´s no way you could get the same shots using real aircraft and there are in any case a vast number of movies using real aircraft that are very poor indeed.

Have you never watched an aeroplane move about the sky, either from the steady platform of the ground or another aeroplane? If you had, then you’d know exactly what I mean–I mean really watched it–perhaps in the company of a really experienced pilot, giving his opinions too. Surely the budget could run to that–for a touch of added realism.
Even in that short sequence, the viewer can see that the CGI produced aeroplanes move nothing like real aeroplanes. A WW2 fighter has neither the power, aerodynamics or internal strength to pull maneuvers like a F-22 would–or in this case an X-wing fighter. if you’re so knowledgeble, why don’t they make them move like real aeroplanes..?
Why, other than the obvious one–that directors think we can only relate to science fiction–or that we have an attention span of five nano-seconds–can they not produce CGI that looks real? I saw some Japanese stuff posted some years ago now of RAF Mosquitoes doing a sweep–that looked decades ahead of this.

As to the script. Well I managed to deduce from the short trailer that the makers of this nonsense expect the audience to believe that the men of the 332nd FG had a group hug before they flew escort missions for the fifteenth AF.
Why insult their memory with sh1t..?
Oh sorry I remember–there’s a Dollar to be made.
Why let the truth get in the way of a fast Buck–hey..?
And the audience doesn’t matter because even by the admission of some here–they’re too thick to notice.

I have no doubt that it’ll also contain a goodly amount of Amercan-centric propaganda about the saving of the free World etc etc.
I can only hope the same comedian who scripted Pearl Harbo(u)r was allowed to insert some of his genius into this.

One can also hope that somehow or other the directorial indolence of that film doesn’t creep in too.

I’m fed up with this now, so I’ll say this.
I’m not afraid to put my money where my mouth is.
I’ll give ten quid to your favourite charity (JamesD that is–not all of you) if this film comes out to anything like good critical aclaim. In anticipation of you reciprocating, mine is The Donkey Sanctuary at Seaton in Devon. They can alway do with a tenner.
Perhaps Moggy or Bruce as moderators could act as referee’s on the wager.

and no one is smoking…!

Andy

Why make nonsense when quality can be made? Did you see it yet? I thought it said January on the screen there.
If you wanna moan, then at least do it after you’ve seen it.

Well I was shouted down by many when pearl Harbo(u)r was in the making, and again when ‘Flyboys’ was in the mill, and again when the recent Red Baron nonsense was on the stocks.
I haven’t been wrong yet.

Although it must be said that Pearl harbo(u)r had a line in it so funny, it ranked alongside Monty Python in it’s ability to have me in convulsions on the carpet.
The one where a British RAF officer says something like ‘If every American is like you, then the free world is in safe hands..!’
I grew up surrounded by British WW2 veterans. A generation so sparing with a compliment that to be described as ‘alright’ was the greatest compliment a man could hope for.
And quite rightly so. Men of that generation would have rather pulled their own livers out than make a speech of such obvious nonsense as that.

J Boyle. I knew you’d turn up here Sir. We’ve crossed swords before. However, in your case, I respect your opinion as you speak much truth. Your record speaks for itself.
:):):)
I think my Dad is biased against the Yanks because one used to pay his sister-in-law ‘visits’ while his brother was in the desert. It helped with the rations as she used to say..!

Andy

All the while the masses watching the aforementioned film largely are none the wiser to whether the aircraft they are watching are real or not, and let’s be honest probably don’t care at this stage, but it hopefully got some of them thinking about the facts of what actually happened and the sacrifices made by men who had no choice but to climb into the real aircraft and shoot at, get shot at and often fight to the death with a real enemy in a real sky where they had no choice but to be and in the case of this film had no glorious chapter written in history for an awfully long time. Maybe they will even look these young men up on this new-fangled internet (which incidentally is the downfall of the good old fashioned book) and learn the true history of these events where maybe the film made some mistakes and oversights.

So that somehow makes the manufacturing of rubbish OK does it..?

‘We can make a crap product because the customer knows no better.’

Do you think other industries have the same ethos at work..?
Yes, they probably do.

But does it make it right..?
That’s maybe what the real question should be.

Andy.
PS. I think the book may well survive the internet–even though I use both–quite happily. You see the internet is great for the 33% of the World’s population which have a regular electricity supply, plus the infrastructiure to support the internet.
I don’t see the other 66% getting either any time soon–do you?

The guys doing the CGI are experts. They plot all the flight characteristics and paths based on real world factors. SOMETIMES there may be an aesthetic need to change something so that it looks better, but it is an exception, not a rule.

Often, unrealistic looking flight characteristics are due mainly to perception. We are used to seeing fighters move about from the perspective of a fairly static camera platform. With CGI, the camera can move about with no restrictions. The director has the freedom to follow the action how he likes. This will make movements SEEM un-natural, when it is actually the CAMERA that is moving ‘un-realistically’.

Cartoonish? Crisp and detailed maybe, unfamiliar camera movement, sure. Don’t compare it to old style footage, because this is a completely different medium.

After making a statement like that, I might question if you’ve ever watched a real aeroplane fly.

My view on the film goes like this.
My father was a WW2 veteran in Italy and North Africa. As a child he told me about this all black Yank fighter squadron that operated in Italy (he said out of Foggia–where he spent a bit of time). He said it was something of a wonder, because they did pretty well and that as (and I quote him here) ‘the darkies usually got all the sh*t jobs in the American army’. I spent a bit of time in my teen years trying to find out about this unit, but the American propaganda machine had done pretty well in painting the 332nd FG out of history. Presumably because they didn’t want the blacks getting ideas above their (rather lowly) station–and uppity blacks were causing quite a lot of trouble in the good olde US of A in the late sixties and early seventies.
So, if this film helps to popularise those events for a new younger generation, that’s a good thing.
However, as ever, it looks like the script was written for someone with a IQ of seven and the CGI is nonsense.
What a shame, probably a good opportunity missed.

Andy.

Transfer the collection to western France (says he, ducking down beneath the parapet!).

Yes that actually would be quite nice.
The climate in Bordeaux is very agreeable…!
The local brand of Coca-Cola is very drinkable too.
:);):)