ok sens
1- the F-1 from southafrica, call it any way you like, the pilot ended up on a wheelchair, so no kill and the a/c crashlanded, still no kill and they did repair it still no kill, have it your way.
2- the C-130 landed safely at “el pato” airbase, so here there’s no kill but a simple victory but no pilot in FAP is claiming that, and no Suko has the C-130 silouhette on the side.
what did they do with those a/c? i dont know and i dont care (pick both) 😀

John…
your big size letters look like yelling and overheating your jets 😮
in fact dont take me wrong but look like 2 old ladys yelling at each other on the marketplace 😀 (so sorry)
John, for you it was wrong, for me it was right (including all canadian blood thursty savages that we are 😀 😀 😀 )
i’m taking this as a joke, so should you 😉
nothing that we will tell to each other will ever make our thinking change i can see that.
but me as a pilot (i am) i wouldnt dare to do such a stupid thing, i consider it suicidal and unmoral.
Camaro.

johny
the point is…anybody will have to be really stupid to go asking for trouble like that, what were they thinking??? :rolleyes:
they’ve suceeded once or twice playing with fire and in the end they got burned, its just as simple as that.
shame is only on your mind, agression is agression and that’s what they were doing.
Camaro.

yes SOC
spanish, portugese, italian and french, they all derive from LATIN language, that’s why we’re all LATINOS, latin americans or latin europeans

bibit hera, bibit herus
bibit miles, bibit clerus
bibit ile, bibit ila
bibit cervus cum anxila
bibit velox, bibit piger
bibit albus, bibit niger
bibit constans, bibit magus
bibit presul et decanus
bibit pauper et egrotus
bibit presul et ignotus…etc etc etc (carmina burana) 😀
Camaro

operation furtive bear

april 24 1992, 2 Su-22 were dispatched to intercept a non identified aircraft, who happened to be a C-130 without markings, 56kms from the coastline, (peruvian airspace), the C-130 captain ignored radio calls on the emergency channel, visual signals and every other emergency interception rule, (every private pilot knows about), so the Su-22’s received the order to fire at a non vital area of the aircraft, the fuselage is the least promt to bring an airplane down, other than a rapid depressurization. (regretable the loss of an air crew who was running forward and back instead of being sitted and seat belt fasten’d)
the damaged Herc landed at El Pato airbase, where it was identified as an ELINT Herc, based at panama with the 310 “transport” 😮 squadron.
it was doing (supposedly) anti-narcotics ELINT on the peruvian jungle (joint operation) and the crew claims it was forced to deviate from its flight plan on their way back home, but they never said “who’ forced them into harms way, way too close to the northern FAP’s fighter bases.
once on the ground a marking was found (usaf) but the kinda’ marking you have to glue your nose to the fuselage to actually see it and all the data collected was intentionally destroyed by the crew including the supposed anti-narcotics ELINT they were supposed to do
something stinks here if you ask me… :rolleyes:

here goes a pic.
i would like to open a thread about to see if anybody has some more info.
Camaro.

yes luis, like it or not its a shot down 😎
Camaro.

ok luis, no cuban kills besides the bay of pigs?

http://www.urrib2000.narod.ru/ArticPiercy2.html

read this, and if you “believe” its only lies, then… you just have made your choice, good for you
in my case i have made mine and i choose to believe this story, so to me there’s at least 1 cuban kill besides the bay of pigs, so i wont eat the crap that cuban pilots are cowards and shoot only “poor inocent children” flying cessnas as you want to make them look like.
as for freedom for your country, yes i wish that too, free from fidel but above all “free from the yanks”.
so your people can choose “whatever the hell they want” and not going from one oppresing SOB to the previous oppresing SOB. 😉

bme330…
http://www.cpcml.ca/tmld/D33170.htm
blockade? what blockade?
you sound like “supertramp” (crisis? what crisis?) 😀 just look at the cover.
have a look at that brother, then you’ll tell me if there’s a blockade or not
here in canada we have’ve heard many times menaces from the u/s, not to deal with cuba or american companies in canada will be moved out 😡 , our prime minister’s response was “canada is a free country and will deal with any country canada considers appropiate” 😀 😎
that was on the news and it made all canadians react at first, now we only laugh 😀 they’re still here… :rolleyes:

now, enough for politics, lets go back to the only thing we all have in common, the thing that keeps us together…AVIATION.
Camaro

luisito man…
you sound like a fanatic anti-comunist, ’cause you’re saying only the 1/2 half of the truth…(i hope i’m wrong)
1- the “poor inocent children” of the cessna were playing with fire and got burned, as simple as that.
2- the “yank herc” with the power it has (radio talking) can do that from international airspace, so it will be stupid to try anything
the “cessna inocent children” were in cuban airspace running towards international airspace 😉
3- you have forgotten the kills cuban pilots scored in real combat with real enemy fighters and real competent enemy pilots (read a bit)
4- the low flying hours? i believe it, because the cuban economy is not “da bes”, but… is it fidel’s fault”? or is it “the half century of u/s blockade’s” fault???
to me the power of the “evil empire” is being shown right there, you just have to know “who” the evil empire is 😀
Camaro.

no my friend lightndatic
the Suko will keep climbing AND accelerating AND putting more and more distance from the enemy (remember t/w superior to 1)
its the other airplane that eventually will run out of power and will give up as you see on the diagram
remember i’m just trying to interprete the idea behind the figure, that’s it, by the way this figure does make a lot of sense to me, that’s all 🙂
kool posting by the way, thanks 😎
Camaro.