i believe that, what the diagram means is…
the Sukhoi because of its thrust to weight ratio will outclimb the enemy to escape (even western pilots with that kind’a power do so) and when the enemy abandons the vertical pursuit…BANG an R-73 is right behind ready to blow.
the problem for the enemy would have been trying to engage the Sukhoi at that speed and altitude to begin with.
like going to fight at the enemy’s own arena (not a clever idea 🙂 )
Camaro.

what sucks is that “the value of the man” means nothing to either system
on the comunist side is only the party what matters and on the other side…
is only “the capital” (=money) what matters.
and we, human beings are just in the middle, sure i’d ratter live where i live now, i’m happy, but the rest of the world doesnt make very nice news lately.
adding to this the fanatism (whichever form it takes) its a bad combo.
i was told in my youth that the political system or religion that can please absolutely everybody in the world doesnt exist…to date it seems right, but if we trully apply justice i think it could help A LOT.

i just hope we will learn to live together 😀
Camaro

seems to me that the ultralight boys were in the wrong place at the wrong time, i dont suppose that they are required to check for notams or something to prevent them from going into “restricted airspace”
my condolences to their familys
Camaro.

ok lets see… 😉
first joyride at 10 years old on a C-47 Fuerza aerea del Peru, back in 1972 on an airborne training mission (my old man was the jump master, he just passed away a month ago 🙁 RIP.) it was then that i’ve got the bug 😎
years latter on a DHC-5 Buffalo, same thing, after that on a Mi-8, Mi-6 and after on An-26, all FAP, all airborne fun 😎 (just joyriding)
after that as mechanic on DC-8 cargo, (a few times) after that as mechanic on B-727 (many more times).
after that moved to Canada and in 1997 i’ve got my pilot’s lisense C-150, then my F/E lisense L-1011, (da bes time ever 😀 ).
and as passenger C-123, C-130, Cessna 206, 207, 402, A-310, 320, 321, 330, Embraer-145, B-727, 737, 757, 767 and ATR-42
nothing out of the ordinary but lots of fun. 😀
Camaro.

[QUOTE=F5M]Sorry Camaro and Flex but I strongly disagree with you . Christianism does not says ” lets get all the goods from all of thoses people redistributed it ” no matter if you worked hard to get it .

my dear brother, that’s why the word used was…”the closest thing” and not “the exact thing” there are some BS with comunism with which i’d never agree, but the basics and mentioned before …i do (health and education)

another point i did love was for example, the aviation, some people without knowledge said “their aircraft are so primitive that they require 5 crews to operate”
the case being, because of the comunist philosophy, their mission was “to create jobs” not so save the company few thousend dollars a year by replacing a HUMAN BEING with a damned computer. 😡
personally…i love to fly i dont care how, as pilot or flight engineer (got both)or navigator or radio operator, the air is where i belong and so did all those guys who got screwed by the philosophy of, “to hell with the man, put a computer and save”
Camaro.

I don’t try to tell that I like them, but how can you hate someone you have never met before?

gentlemen…
flex has a good point. 🙂
i’m not a commie either, but i know some of their ideas and i agree with a few of those (health and education)
and we know the way “propaganda” is used everywhere. :rolleyes:
Camaro.

here goes a skerry one 😮
so please dont stand on the “receiving end” 😀
Camaro.

I don’t know what happened to the prototype.[/QUOTE]

the prototype is displayed at “le bourget” musee nationale d’aviation, i have seen it, very nice. 😉
Camaro.