[QUOTE=F5M]Hehe good one Camaro!! 😀
Ah dont be so severe with my love F5 . Sure mig 29 and F16 are much more maneuverable than it but F5 is too still nowadays . US uses it to teach TopGun Pilots . And F5 has a much better cockipt visibility than the Mig 21 as showed a recent article in Ariforce Monthly but probally the Mig 29 is better ( surely F16 is )

dont worry F-5 brother, i didnt mean to hurt your F-5 lady (airplanes are our ladies 😉 ) she’s good looking, in fact i wouldnt mind flying a couple of 6g. maneouvers with her 😎 .
about that article, yes i have it too and its visibility is just “not as bad” i just never said “worst”, somebody else did.

c’mon condor, leave A-29 alone !
concentrate on the main dish… 🙂
fach has nothing to challenge and “worst” defeat FAP “as it is now” 😉
and as for the “super F-16” (still 1 1/2 years to be real), dont worry, FAP will have something “under the sleeve” 😎
Camaro.

[QUOTE=A-29] Chile and Argentina have a long dispute in who is the most “european” country in South America, you know what i mean?

😀 😀 😀 good one A-29!!! 😀 😀 😀

ok condorito, lets see.
what’s the falcon gonna do? ah! ok, the peruvians are comming, this way…and get the hell out of there? i dont see much advantage on this, and by the way, you’re talking a crappy 707, with an A check every 50 hrs, so be careful how you use it, and have your friends open any engine cowl for ya…look at the combustion chamber external core, and (just for the fun) tell me how many weldings over weldings can you see? yes crack weldings, so much for your flag ship. (we’re talking JT3 engines)
Peru has none? so who cares, ground radars are enough.

Are you kidding?. M2Ks are just as capable as a Chilean Pantera. The sitting ducks would be M2Ks and Migs sitted in their hangars, with no spares, no modern avionics, no nothing.

your jokes are as good as “los caporales” man (BTW i loved them) you should make a career out of that, any pantera, elkan or F-5 maneouvering harder than 6g. will have its wings doing applauses to its pilot. you know that :rolleyes:

You’re wrong. It’s far better, and you know that.
Why to deny it?

i am to deny it!, the only advantage elta has over the N-019 is its ground modes as the N-019 as it is doesnt have, sorry but you dont need ground mode for an air to air kill, so you can keep it. 😉
and as for a2a…
35-55 look up or 30-45 look down, its nothing special 😮
next…BVR Derby, did you ever wonder why IAF/DF doesnt have them??? 😮 they’re still buying amraams, did you know???
because its good for “third world countries with small air forces” 😮
did you know that it doesnt have datalink either? so you cant fire farther than 60kms, want some more??? go here.
http://forum.keypublishing.co.uk/showthread.php?t=28353
were we all learn about.

Bad for you kid. Facts are facts.
You can’t compare the electronics/avionic mounted on a chilean F-5E Tigre III Plus with the old useless toys on your rusted, leaking Migs.
A state of the art DASH system mounted in F-5s “slightly better” than nothing in your Mig-29?
Good joke.

what can “the best optronics in the universe” do on such an oudated and restricted and pig kind’a maneouvering f-5 airframe? :confused:

I really like this guy.
An F-5 with worst visibility than a Mig-21?? Don’t make me laugh ol’ pal…
We’re in the missile age, remember?
Your peruvian pilot will be in hell even just before sighting an F-5 (and very soon the Chilean F-16s..) with two Python 4 in his ass.

talking about DREAMING 😀
and as for the rest of your comments… yes very funny, i always knew chileans had the best jokes 😀 😀 😀 (los caporales again)

Now go to sleep!!!.
You’re wetting your bed again!

yeah babe, looking at FAP’s fighters… ITS ORGASMIC 😎 😉 🙂
you got “that” right.
Camaro

ok lets see… 🙂 (you too condorito :p )
fach has 1 condor, FAB has 5 erieyes, so fach is no better than FAB in that matter.
2- Mirage elkan’s and pantera’s are just sitting ducks against M2k or Mig-29, agreed?
3- the F-5…hhhmmm, lets see,
its ELTA is not better, at most similar performance to the N-019xx
its baby BVR derby? when within firing range it will have a R-77 already blowing its nose, so…too late.
4- its optronics?, slightly better than the Migs (good for you son 😉 ) but where?
an airframe (F-5) that has cockpit visibility as bad as that of the Mig-21? adding the 6g. maneoubrability limit…you dont have to be “Ungenio” to gess who’s (the Mig-29) going to be wipping your a$$ much before your F-5 gets in position to fire its python-4
5- ergonomics? well i dont care very much for leather seats and a 2000watt sound system with CD player 😀
so here FACH is no better than FAP (as it is) either.

about FAP’s Canberras and M5P’s…they are history.
serviceability? all M2k’s are operational, at least 11 Mig-29’s, most of the Su-25’s and a few Su-22’s.
budget?, the government just announced “officially” that the armed forces have been granted an increase and they’re authorized to spend the rest of the annual budget NOW and will receive some more, this made news last week.
so more airplanes just make more targets for the Migs and M2k’s. 😎
Camaro.

what i understood from “war of attrition” AFM, was russian mercenaries on Su-27 etiopia and ukranian mercenaries Mig-29 eritrea, both firing R-27’s and the few kills given to the russian mercenaries and these guys having the better R-27’s via their…”friends in high russian places”
it doesnt surprise me at all. :rolleyes:
but how about the new seeker developed? (well, 1999 :rolleyes: ), it seems to transform it into something real hot. see link

http://www.aeronautics.ru/nws001/fi014.htm

i’d like your opinion guys. 😉

Camaro.

gracias sapito

hey nice pics sapito, thanks for sharing (i’ve saved the pics 😎 😉 )
tell me, the Mig on the pic 037, i believe is on of the bielorussian aircraft? if it is…it doesnt seem too crappy to me (as some idiotic ignorant journalists/politicians claim in Peru, aint it?) i wish i could fly it myself. 😎

now tell me, did our guys fly combat practice against the us. navy F-18’s? please, let us know. 🙂
Camaro.