Condor, if you have time, go visit the extra-oficial FACH site by Eduardo Ahumada, its said there that fach is paying 60 millions a piece which equal 600 millions for the whole thing (to date), those guys are pretty well informed 😉
about the war of 1879…there is a lot of BS the history books say and also a lot of BS that they dont, as for me, those were times in which the rulers were ambitious SOB’s who got thousends of people killed for their own economic wealth and Peru was somehow forced into an unwanted war, just remember that 😎
Camaro.

moito obrigado amigo meu A-29 🙂
i’m trying to download but no luck, i’ll try again latter, and guess what…no i havent seen any of those videos yet, but if i can download them, i’ll burn them into VCD form and watch them on my DVD.
i did not long ago a short 5 minutes video, glueing together a few from the fabulous fulcrums webpage and as music i used “Feuer Frei” from Ramstein, from take off, climb, little fun, firing the R-60, back home and landing precisely at the end of the song, personally i love it, if you (or anybody) wants it…(32Mb.) it will be my pleassure to send it 2 ya. 😎
Camaro.

condor

well condor…
now i see we have some common points, yes i agree that we have a long way to integration, but i firmly believe its possible and my chilean friends agree.

I’m, sorry Camaro, but those are your impressions…not mine
Anyway, the Chilean F-16s Block 50M + Derby will be more than a match for any peruvian Mig-29…and that’s a fact…and it’s BIG…indeed!

mmmm ok just to make peace i’ll give you the benefit of the doubt about that statement, we understand each other now in the fact that just an upgrade is needed, yes is needed for a long time now, not only because of the future f-16 but because it is in fact needed.

Tell it to to the people who still thinks Peruvian Air Force is the best in Latin America for the sole fact that they believe it’s the only one who has BVR capability…
that doesnt make fach the best either, and most people base their point based on some other arguments as well, just ask them 😉
as for me…yes i agree with them. 😎

condor

I wouldn’t be so sure Camaro… especially on the last part of your statement.

do you mean…we hate each other’s guts???
because what i ment was (by experience) that chilean and peruvians once they get to know each other…we become real friends and of course there are some radical a-holes on both sides, but just a few. 😎

I’m, sorry Camaro, but those are your impressions…not mine
Anyway, the Chilean F-16s Block 50M + Derby will be more than a match for any peruvian Mig-29…and that’s a fact…and it’s BIG…indeed!

so…you say… “the gap will never be filled?” no matter what FAP gets or does???

I’m sure your scope would be wider if you elaborate such comparisons based on smarter parameters…
And you would be surprised…

and you talk about “smarter parameters”?
you’re just assuming that FAP isnt doing anything and wont do anything
“mark my words”, i do not underestimate fach, i do consider it a very professional force, highly motivated and well equipped (so is FAP)
but, if the f-5 was that effective against the Mig (nowhere near), then there would be no reason to get the f-16, aint it? and your f-16 is still on paper, my Mig is here to stay.
once your f-16 arrives, YES it “will be” the best “IF” FAP had done anything to match it, i hope i made myself clear. 😉
by the way, the arrival of the derby to fach is old news, everybody knows of its existence on your arsenal for about 2 years. 😀
Camaro.

Condor…
we will never see a pic of a f-5 firing a derby as well as you will never see a pic of a Mig-29 firing the R-77
on the other hand, you have seen already the Mig-29 showing the R-77 on static display.
another point, the only better thing about the f-5+ would be the dash system (slightly better than the actual system on our Mig) and the f-16… you make it sound BIG, yes its big, but you seem to be under the impression that FAP will do nothing to match that, or that there’s nothing FAP can do to match those chilean temporary advantages… i suggest you “think again” 😉
Camaro.

a F-5 with elta 2032 / derby with its ECM’s equiped better than a Mig-29 N-019M R-77 gardenya?
assuming that the R-77 is grounded because of what you read on cheap news?, condor and f5m? well we can clearly see that the misinformation, deception campaign works, good for the peruvians. defeating the condor its just a matter of tactics, it aint invincible, must probably in the event of a war it will be hiding somewhere, and theres only one so, not a real threat.
nobody will be stupid to launch a frontal attack just for the purpose of destroying the fat lady.
the only way fach can defeat FAP is by a surprise attack, higly unlikely. 😉
Camaro.

i was the worst math student of my class and managed to obtain my private lisense, then i became flight engineer with maths as bad as before, and as a mechanic (24 years already ) used the basics about 10 times in my career, as long as you are good with the 4 basics…you got it, its just the desire that makes the diference.
by the way my friend, ARRIBA uses 2 R’s…arriba, siempre arriba (Geo Chavez)
Camaro.

i hope the Migs are send, man it’ll be awesome.
Camaro. 😎