nonpilot:
all M-5’s are on long term storage, waiting and waiting…
srbin.
about the Su-25 that’s true my friend, i just dont think that’s FAP case, they could be upgraded sure a thing, but at least they can fire R-60 and R-73 for self defense so an escort is always good to have. 😉
about the M2k… :confused: i’d rather have it gone for good and replaced by the SMT, it would be awesome with the ZhukMSF-29? if ever… :p
about the french…i just remember’d, the falklands, they did the same to the argies, so bad that it was FAP who overhauled FAA M-5’s engines and ejector seats among other things…
Camaro.

nonpilot

sorry i’ve forgot.
as far as i know, all Su-25 in the world are capable of launching smart weapons (please somebody correct me if i’m wrong) and yes it would have been more useful than the Su-22 at the cenepa war, BUT dont get me wrong, to send them without escort is suicide, be careful, 😉 they both need protection.
Camaro.

[QUOTE=GarryB]The red protective covers on them suggest they are what the west calls captive training rounds. Ie the seekers are fully functional (and therefore require protective covers) but they never leave the launch rail and have no motor so they are not fitted with control surfaces. They can be used for training as they can lock onto targets like the real thing, the Mig-29C added the required training modes for the radar and avionics to simulate such things without a real target being required.

exacto garry 😉 i just didnt knew how to call them, (silly me 😮 )

how are they preparing for the f-16 fach??? nobody knows, one sure thing is they are trying to get more flight time, develop tactics etc, but how? that’s the million dollar question 🙂
Camaro.

thats good news brother, the Mig-29 is a good machine and i hope they can improve it even farther.
thanks vympel 😎

[QUOTE=Holger Sens]Hi Camaro, why are those R-73s shown are dummies?

hi holger, you can clearly see that there are no flight controls on them, and the black stripes on the R-27 mean that as well, they dont like to show the real thing, they did once and hell broke loose.
they were bought from the bielorusian flight line, only the a/c in better shape were chosen, nothing was downgraded, and those are original 9-13, as far as i know, no mods from 9-12.

I still think it was a very dumb action to purchase teh Mig-29 (srbin)

dear srbin, that’s because you dont know why…
i’ll tell you why, in 1995 sure we had M2k, but with the peace politics of the mid 80’s, to show truth intentions, the armed forces were downsized from the huge and totally irrealistic mamouth it was on the 70’s to a more according to economic reality of the 80’s and 90’s, the order for M2k was downsized from 36 to 12, but not only that, weapons orders were either cancelled or severely downsized, the intention was to cancel the whole M2k program but the french government did put pressure because contracts were signed, and the penalties would have been too hard on the downhill going peruvian economy, so the contract was re-negociated to 12 machines.
now…in 1995 when the potatos started to burn (the surprise cenepa war) inmediatelly the peruvian government asked the french for the weapons needed for the defense of the country, guess what, the french said NO 😮 of course, they sell to ecuador as well, they also told them NO, but the diference is, they had a stockpile, we didnt.
so actually the M2k was a good looking useless a/c.
the americans decided to impose an embargo on weapons to both countrys, so not even russia will supply, so, what to do?, you need weapons, get them or die!, bieloruss couldnt care less about embargoes, for as long as you came with cash, wich is what happened, and it worked as the FAE, never came to challenge the Migs (talking about 97/98 before the final peace agreement) and when challenged (it did happened quite often, peruvian Migs orbiting inside ecuatorian airspace) they never came.

now srbin, do you still think it was a dumb idea? 😉
last i knew, was that FAP dont want a multirole Mig-29, they want a pure air superiority, so only a radar upgrade was needed and they did, plus a few R-77 and plenty of R-73, R-27 and R-60, the M2k now has its weapons and so the other machines. sure this kind of diversity is hard to maintain, the only solution is “true peace”, but…are you sure you can thrust with your life that kind’a neighbour? :confused:
cheers to all:
Camaro 🙂

ok matt.
look at it this way…
the wings are not attached directly to the fuselage (no matter how much beef you put into the bulkheads, it’ll be too weak 🙁 ), they are attached to each other by the wing centerbox, wich is big and heavy, and this passes thru the fuselage, in the case of any modern jetliner, the fuselage is attached to the wing centerbox, so you’re left with space fwd, aft and above this, but what about the area above? (passenger cabin?) you will never fill this area to the volumetric top, because will be so heavy… 😮 it will just sink on the ground.
now limiting the payload? cool 😉 but what to do with the huge empty space? use it as drag? :confused: , or make bomb bay doors from the fwd and aft cargo compartments? you will have to transform them from pressurized areas into non pressurized, so who’s gonna take the pressurization? the cabin floor? how many tons of metal will it need to stand this? and still, what to do with the cabin area? fill it up with…air? 😀
no way jose…it will never work, you are better off, designing a new B-52 with the billions that it implies or just spend a few millions re-motoring each of the good old B-52.
note that some of the oldest B-52 have about 15,000hrs flight time, and “you” have already flown jetliners with more than 50,000 or even 60,000hrs 😮
the efforts they have to stand are really close to the very same 😉
that’s why my dear matt, anyway if you still have more questions, please do not hessitate in keep this disscusion going on, we all love to learn from each other. 🙂
Camaro

nice pics A-29
o mais grande do mondo 😀
Camaro

why not?
the americans with their engines, electronics and weapons could transform it into the most powerfull bomber ever, and for so cheap, seriously, it could work. 😉
Camaro.