NermalDid any Lancasters fly (at that time) with a nacelled engine attached to the bomb bay? That might fit the bill as far as a description of RATO goes. Did any Lanc ever get fitted for RATO? – Nermal
NermalYou sure it was King Cobras (P63) and not Huey Cobras (AH1)? The latter would seem a better bet – Nermal
NermalThink I hear the lawyers ordering new top of the range BMWs. – Nermal
NermalThe Fa223 wouldn’t have had a lot of influence on immediate British helicopter designs – we were using early Sikorskys at the time. Wonder if it had any influence on any designs at all.
Shame about LEMB. Used to have quite a bit of interesting information, but its pages have been decimated. – Nermal
NermalNermal I hear you and in the main I sympathise but I’d like to make a few points. First, the shooting happened because you can still detonate a bomb whilst being restrained. Second, and I am only guessing here, I am no expert, but I’d say he was pinned and covered by the officers to minimise the effect of the detonation if it had happened.
So restrain him then shoot, or get him to stop and then shoot: he could still detonate a bomb when standing still with his hands in the air, if he had one on him. Thats something to think about if you hear the words ‘STOP, POLICE!’ shouted out behind you. The (innocent) man on the front of several papers the other day must be thanking his lucky stars that they didn’t take the same precaution…
I’d imagine that he was jumped on by some of the police in an effort to prevent him from from exploding his ‘bomb’, but another turned up and emptied eight bullets into his head for exactly the same reason.
Did someone panic? That is what I hear being whispered, but since all tube stations have CCTV I don’t doubt the truth – or a form of it – will come out in the end. – Nermal
NermalNermal I hear you and in the main I sympathise but I’d like to make a few points. First, the shooting happened because you can still detonate a bomb whilst being restrained. Second, and I am only guessing here, I am no expert, but I’d say he was pinned and covered by the officers to minimise the effect of the detonation if it had happened.
So restrain him then shoot, or get him to stop and then shoot: he could still detonate a bomb when standing still with his hands in the air, if he had one on him. Thats something to think about if you hear the words ‘STOP, POLICE!’ shouted out behind you. The (innocent) man on the front of several papers the other day must be thanking his lucky stars that they didn’t take the same precaution…
I’d imagine that he was jumped on by some of the police in an effort to prevent him from from exploding his ‘bomb’, but another turned up and emptied eight bullets into his head for exactly the same reason.
Did someone panic? That is what I hear being whispered, but since all tube stations have CCTV I don’t doubt the truth – or a form of it – will come out in the end. – Nermal
Nermalany one who as used a weapon knows how easy a discharge can be ,especially a cocked semi auto ,off safety.
Shot in the head, five times? Even more reason for the retaining of the current gun control measures, except I think you are way off the mark with this demonstration of your knowledge…
I for one, am 100% behind the shoot to kill policy, it’s high time that people learnt that we are no longer going to be a soft touch and an easy target.
As the Brazillians now certainly know.
Now what we need to do in addition to this is start rounding up and deporting the known trouble makers
Why not include anyone with a strange name, who wears funny clothes, who looks different. Hell, why not just deport all foreigners?
He was under surveillance, the Police might not have had people in position to stop him getting on the bus.
The fact that the penalty for jumping the gates and getting on the tube was five bullets could demonstrate that they didn’t exactly have the man-power to prevent him getting on the train either. The police could have watched the bus blow up, what would they have learned from that?
Imagine what you’d be saying if police in New York or Washington, D.C. had shot the poor guy!
No doubt the term “cowboy” would have been thrown about quite liberally.
Ah, he comes the sobbing American contingent, moaning that its not about them! Notice you didn’t mention Los Angeles…;)
Wasn’t there a man gunned down by the police in New York and they worked overtime to try and prove he was guilty of something? Think the police threatened to go on strike when the investigation didn’t go their way. This guy wasn’t black, of course, but now the news that he was here on a student visa (expired) would appear, to some of you, to make his tragic death justifiable.
The basic lesson here is: When told to stop by armed police DO NOT under any circumstances break into a run
The fact that they had him safely pinned to the ground before shooting him dead points to the idea that he could have been shot with his hands in the air had he obeyed these shouted commands. But lets think about the men shouting at you to stop, not in uniform but in casual gear, whilst waving guns around. Would you stop and ask them what they were doing? Do you stop when driving when you hear emergency sirens and ask them where they are going?
His family are talking of suing the Met, maybe if they get a fine then we should have a whip round for them, that way it shows support for the police!
If it was you who ended up on the slab instead, would your family be benevolent enough to say that the situation was acceptable?
Was there a better option? Search me. – Nermal
Nermalany one who as used a weapon knows how easy a discharge can be ,especially a cocked semi auto ,off safety.
Shot in the head, five times? Even more reason for the retaining of the current gun control measures, except I think you are way off the mark with this demonstration of your knowledge…
I for one, am 100% behind the shoot to kill policy, it’s high time that people learnt that we are no longer going to be a soft touch and an easy target.
As the Brazillians now certainly know.
Now what we need to do in addition to this is start rounding up and deporting the known trouble makers
Why not include anyone with a strange name, who wears funny clothes, who looks different. Hell, why not just deport all foreigners?
He was under surveillance, the Police might not have had people in position to stop him getting on the bus.
The fact that the penalty for jumping the gates and getting on the tube was five bullets could demonstrate that they didn’t exactly have the man-power to prevent him getting on the train either. The police could have watched the bus blow up, what would they have learned from that?
Imagine what you’d be saying if police in New York or Washington, D.C. had shot the poor guy!
No doubt the term “cowboy” would have been thrown about quite liberally.
Ah, he comes the sobbing American contingent, moaning that its not about them! Notice you didn’t mention Los Angeles…;)
Wasn’t there a man gunned down by the police in New York and they worked overtime to try and prove he was guilty of something? Think the police threatened to go on strike when the investigation didn’t go their way. This guy wasn’t black, of course, but now the news that he was here on a student visa (expired) would appear, to some of you, to make his tragic death justifiable.
The basic lesson here is: When told to stop by armed police DO NOT under any circumstances break into a run
The fact that they had him safely pinned to the ground before shooting him dead points to the idea that he could have been shot with his hands in the air had he obeyed these shouted commands. But lets think about the men shouting at you to stop, not in uniform but in casual gear, whilst waving guns around. Would you stop and ask them what they were doing? Do you stop when driving when you hear emergency sirens and ask them where they are going?
His family are talking of suing the Met, maybe if they get a fine then we should have a whip round for them, that way it shows support for the police!
If it was you who ended up on the slab instead, would your family be benevolent enough to say that the situation was acceptable?
Was there a better option? Search me. – Nermal
NermalMaybe the pix are upside down…? – Nermal
NermalIs it a digicam? Try playing with the flash and checking the display, confirming on the computer afterwards. Atmospheric stuff like the grass and sunset behind needs delicate lighting so knock it right down and try again from there. – Nermal
NermalIs it a digicam? Try playing with the flash and checking the display, confirming on the computer afterwards. Atmospheric stuff like the grass and sunset behind needs delicate lighting so knock it right down and try again from there. – Nermal
NermalA old departed friend of mine who flew DC-2’s, DC3’s, C-47’s and the DC-5 always called them 😀 “Dougs” or “Douglas’s”…
And there weren’t many of them around… – Nermal
NermalReligions are man made. They often get it wrong, sometimes very wrong. Their failures are human failures. But how does that reflect on the existance of a higher reality, God?
Think of something which claims to have all the answers to those worrying questions about life – organised religion. No need to supply proof since we are assured that we cannot comprehend what ‘god’ can do, so it is easy to make this ‘supreme being’ responsible for all the apparent good in the world and, in an effort to make mankind fear or worship this ‘god’, claim that all the bad things are caused by man.
Man causes war – but man can fight on the side of one religious faction or the other and both sides god will smile on them as the rightious. Man causes crops to fail – they are all gods creation but obviously they were left in our care so we must have failed god with our lack of faith, whether it actually rained or not…:rolleyes: And as if they isn’t already enough racism and political division in the world man also causes religious hatred – so all those preachers/mullahs/rabid religious fanatics screaming that unbelievers are going to hell are not, despite their claims to the contrary, doing gods work?
To misquote something that used to be seen on gun fanatics t-shirts: kill god and let man sort it out. – Nermal
NermalReligions are man made. They often get it wrong, sometimes very wrong. Their failures are human failures. But how does that reflect on the existance of a higher reality, God?
Think of something which claims to have all the answers to those worrying questions about life – organised religion. No need to supply proof since we are assured that we cannot comprehend what ‘god’ can do, so it is easy to make this ‘supreme being’ responsible for all the apparent good in the world and, in an effort to make mankind fear or worship this ‘god’, claim that all the bad things are caused by man.
Man causes war – but man can fight on the side of one religious faction or the other and both sides god will smile on them as the rightious. Man causes crops to fail – they are all gods creation but obviously they were left in our care so we must have failed god with our lack of faith, whether it actually rained or not…:rolleyes: And as if they isn’t already enough racism and political division in the world man also causes religious hatred – so all those preachers/mullahs/rabid religious fanatics screaming that unbelievers are going to hell are not, despite their claims to the contrary, doing gods work?
To misquote something that used to be seen on gun fanatics t-shirts: kill god and let man sort it out. – Nermal
NermalSo Last Lightening bought his E-280 to look flash !!! Where did he say that in his thread. You really are a venomous Norbert, one day, we can hope you will post something meaningful, without having a snipe.
Hello Mr Kettle. You really are rather black, aren’t you. Love, Mr Pot…:rolleyes: Sticks and stones.
My girlfriends brother has something similar, but with a manual gearbox, in silver; I think it was 5 years old with nearly 200,000 in the clock. Nothing but trouble and yes – he did buy his to appear ‘flash’ (and added darkened windows, extra speakers, cruising lights, leather bucket seats, tasteful red trim [go faster stripes], etc. Trying to be a real chav-mobile without the fluffy dice). Even with a Merc dealers ‘assistance’ – for the price of a small kings ransom – it took an age for each fault to get sorted (I think the last problem was with the electrics or timing, but I’m long past caring). – Nermal
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