raf snaith 1943
i’m not sure about the reference to ‘a much more significant incident’ in the last post relating to the bomb control equipment failures in feb 1943 .
in the june incident i reckon at least TEN groundcrew died – much more significant in human terms and more destructive too in damage / destruction of airfield facilities .
however both incidents do illustrate the dangers of general service in wartime RAF .
there was a slight error (typographical ?) in the extract from ‘Snaith Days’ – the Halifax in question was DT722 – not DH722 .
incident at snaith 1943
could the following be relevant ?
saturday 19 june 1943
ops le creusot
huge explosion in the snaith bomb dump area
clearing up the site took about a month and a number of armourers were ‘mentioned in despatches’ .
the bomb dump itself was redesigned
len broadhurst’s LV869
dear mike –
it’s the same photo in both publications !!!!!!!
as far as the other a/c you mention i can direct you to ‘THE HANDLEY PAGE HALIFAX’ by ken merrick .
see pages 105/106 of the 2nd edition where LK922 , LK910 and LK929 are depicted during their construction at Rootes Securities .
i’ve drawn a blank on the other a/c though .
regards
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LV869 photograph
good morning
there is a photograph of len broadhurst sitting in the cockpit of LV869 in ‘THE HALIFAX FILE’ compiled by RN ROBERTS p 157
it is credited to len broadhurst himself and shows the nose section of LV869 from rear of cockpit to nose including the ‘crest’ which ‘consisted of the labels of local breweries while the raid markings are glasses and tankards’ .
the ‘FILE’ is highly recommended reading for everyone interested in the HALIFAX .
regards
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NP134 ??
can i offer a couple of comments/suggestions ?
i have a print of this picture and can read the serial number towards the rear of the Halifax – and it is NR134 – not NP134 .
Mk III Halifaxes were not around in 1941 !!! some of the first started appearing towards the end of 1943 .
what are your sources of this information ?
20 OTU Wellington HZ262
the facts are more or less as indicated above .
Cpl M Lucas WAAF certainly deserves mention – a nursing orderly who happened to be visiting the Stotfield Hotel and witnessed the a/c hit the sea about 250 yds from the shore . she swam out to the site , fully clothed , despite danger to herself , and was the first rescuer to reach the a/c . then she turned her attentions to aid a civilian . Chorley indicates Cpl Lucas was recommended for the British Empire Medal – i wonder if this recommendation was successful ?
i will investigate on line
51 squadron HALIFAX ‘X’ photograph
pleased to see a less well-known halifax photograph .
the ‘X’ is not a MARK of HALIFAX as in Mk III , II , V etc but the squadron letter – note it is displayed on the front face of the port MESSIER u/c leg . just been checking the records for a/c carrying MH-X – i’ve narrowed it down and am wondering if the reference to august 1944 might prove helpful .
anybody else got any ideas on actual ID of this Mk III ?
‘RK’ unit code
yes i agree with your comment – 10 OTU did carry those letters – but it doesn’t seem that a HALIFAX bomber was on the unit strength – WELLINGTONS and WHITLEYS ?
is this a case of the story deepening ?
anybody in possession of further information ?
model halifax
i must have missed the first set of notes posted earlier this month – don’t know how i managed not to see them .
yesterday the model (along with a journal kept in sagan) was sold at auction .
the RK squadron letters seem unresolved – no halifax squadrons flew with such letters as far as i can see .
the lack of care over journalistic detail does seem rife – and i note some measure of identity disagreement in the previous postings .
but it was DEFINITELY a halifax model !!!! with RK recognition letters .
R9366
been following this ronnie waite story with interest !
i don’t have a picture of R9366 but my information of this particular a/c is as follows :-
R9366 10/76 CF/76/1658 HCU Training 18.10.42 . t/o Riccall for night flying practice . Touched down at 20.20 but immediately ground looped as a tyre burst . Both pilots , Sgt DA Gold and Sgt LJ Cursley later joined 76 Sq and were killed quite early on in their tours ; Sgt Gold FTR ops Berlin 17.01.43 Halifax DT569 and Sgt Cursley ops Berlin 29.03.43 Halifax DT563 (same raid as F/Lt JH Wetherly DFC MID FTR) .
Ronnie Waite’s book ‘DEATH OR DECORATION’ p 119 indicates he was transferred to 1658 HCU Riccall early in september 1942 ‘with squadron leaders dobson and calder’ which goes someway to explaining his involvement with R9366 .
This a/c arrived from 10 Sq 29.03.42 and flew two operations with 76 Sq as MP-U . Transferred to 76 Sq CF and then 1658 CU .
10 Sq . Ops Channel Dash (Operation Fuller) S/Ldr Thompson , pilot . Stick of bombs dropped after a momentary sighting through a break in clouds .
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ronnie waite ‘death or decoration’
pleased to know he’s still around !!!
give him my regards if you do write to him .
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squadron leader ron waite
can this gentleman be the same ronnie waite who wrote ‘DEATH OR DECORATION’ published by newton publishers in 1991 ? he was posted to 76 squadron at middleton st george in january 1942 .
if so , it is a co-incidence that i was just rereading this book when i noticed the name in your note .
it seems quite ironic that his survival was based on his unfortunate removal from operations .
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errrrm 6,116 + 2 prototypes HANDLEY PAGE HALIFAX ?
Many people are of the opinion that the RAF had just the one type of bomber in its squadrons …. the Avro Lancaster …. but this note is to draw attention to the FRONTLINE activities of 4 Group , 6 Group and elements of 8 Group that flew the HANDLEY PAGE HALIFAX .
6,116 aircraft plus the first two prototypes were constructed overall – many of which found themselves operating on Bomber Command Squadrons !
Halifax LV857
Often used photograph of LV857 eg ‘The Nuremberg Raid’ Martin Middlebrook caption :-
LV857 was photographed when new before delivery to 51 Sq at Snaith . Sgt Jack Binder and his all NCO crew , on their third operation , set out for Nuremberg in this a/c but were all killed when it was shot down near Fulda .
in Appendix 4 there is an additional note that the actual crash site was at Schwarzbach , 13 km east of Fulda .
102 Sq Halifax missing
i have a copy of ‘suicide but fun’ as mentioned .
the loss of HR978 DY-V is confirmed with the added comment ‘Missing in early hours’ (p196)
on p117 it says of operations in March 1944 :-
March 1944 saw the squadron concentrating on ‘GARDENING’ trips and , for the first time in many months , targets in France . Again it was a very quiet month with only one Halifax , that flown by F/Sgt James Garside , lost without trace during an attack on Laon on the night of the 23rd/24th of March 1944 .