If I could buy 100s of fighter planes with next day door step delivery and a device like that of Matrix movie to program 100 pilots in a second and in a similar fashion raise an amphibious assault capability I would probably say this scenario is feasible.

But since it is not, any announcement of the purchase of Su-30s or J-11 will trigger an alarm bell in Britain that would allow Britain to be prepared even before the first J-11 lands on the door step.

I am not sure whether such a high profile defense deal could be hidden under wraps without letting the wind take the fragrance all the way from Asia/South America to Europe

JMT

You are right in that. It is all about intelligence reports. Lucky about you, there is no decrease in intelligence reports. After all, intel budget goes up and not down. And it mostly about external threats, not looking at mainland security.

@Buitreaux, again I’m not talking about Argentina. I just talk about general blindness.

2015, blue will have no carrier, no maritime patrol aircraft, and no fifth generation fighters, not even 4++ generation with AESA (with Su-30 on par or may be above them in several combat performance factors).

While Red will have their own fighters based on the Island, will improve the capacity of the airbase, with S-300 PMU2 and a very good ground based AEW network providing a protective shield for air operations to continue unhampered over the Island(supply of men and material, maritime patrol and AEW planes etc. etc.).

Red can launch a lot of anti ship missiles from coastal batteries, sea and air (more than the any ships air defence missiles) which could be assisted with MPA/AEW aircraft based targeting information (making it difficult for a surface vessel to approach 300kms near shore).

What about several strikes by conventional warhead on a bunch of SLBMs and long range cruise missiles to take out the airfield for a good amount of time?

Followed by strikes from long ranged UAVs and missiles to degrade the air defence capability, and the eurofighters with air refueling attacking any remaining targets? will take a long time and a lot of lives to reach a stage where blue will be able to put boots on the ground, who will by that time no doubt face a well entrenched enemy, and have a lot of casualties.

Might be better to just start hurting the reds mainland with so much damage through submarines and missiles that it becomes impossible to continue with Island occupation.

Nice plan. I was thinking more in the line of starving the islands. Well placed Type 45s and submarines, can deny any sort of supply line from the mainland. If the blockade is successful, then you can force the reds to deplete their inventories staging fake attacks. It could take more time but it could be less bloody.

Ah well if we can warp reality then Blue kingdom nukes red kingdom, then Blue kingdom starts spraying nerve gas over all Red cities to be sure the job is done, Red kingdom is gone, as is the problem. Other kingdoms discuss sanctions on Blue kingdom, but these plans are soon dropped after 6 months when Blue Kingdom proves Red Kingdom had weapons of mass destruction and was about to launch them, however Blue Kingdom found out only 45 minutes beforehand and launched the preemptive strike using aforementioned nuclear strike and several months of nerve gas spraying.

So, as the blue leader, you cannot think of a workable conventional solution for this situation and admit defeat by using nuclear weapons, effectively terminating the scenario. Interesting.

While you’re at it, go inform the military that there is no need for them to continue doing drills, since everything can be solved with nuclear deterrence.

I would like to modify the original scenario in this topic in a small way.

Somehow (magically, who cares) Argentina captures Falklands again. Then they place an S-300 on them and some Su-30 for air cover. Can the 2015 UK armed forces successfully reclaim the islands?

I know it is an impossible scenario but I have the feeling that this is what the original poster had in mind and either way there is no harm in looking at all the aspects of it.

If you also look as to how the long and medium range SAMs are deployed, you will see that they are there to protect the mainland, while the eastern islands are covered only by Sa-8 and Stingers mainly. Again, for me it is obvious, that Greece should have put mobile medium range SAMs to cover the most eastern islands, not quite for providing cover to the island themselves, as shorads can take care of helicopters, but to give a hand to HAF.

My friend, you’ve already answered your own question

And i don’t mean “kill many Turks”. This means nothing to cynical politicians. It means “destroy their wealth”. And most of the wealth is along the coast.

What do you think our politicians are protecting? Their wealth as well. Ordinary Turks or Greeks (and whatever else) are simply casualties.

There is still one player in the area that we all seem to ignore. A player that in the current geopolitical situation could easily align with Israel. The Kurds. They can help with guerilla attacks or even with securing an airstrip for a few days. And since there is no real Kurdish leadership or even country, there is no one to blame.

The nose whel retracts backwards and the main wheels retract forwards as you can see in the Airliners.net pictures.

My only objection to King Air C90, is that the wreck main wheels seem to retract backwards. Just look at the wheel base next to the diver in the first 2 photos in the thread. There may be something broken and it just looks that way or maybe not. Seawreck, you’ve been there. Do the main wheels retract forwards or backwards?

Disclaimer: I know nothing about civil aircraft. I just look and compare photos.

Night time allows for greater tactical choices for the commandoes landing on the deck. In general the commandoes are going to have better night vision capabilities than the targets will. Were I on the ship I would have known exactly what’s going on. Do you think the people on the ship are stupid? They hoped for and prepared for just this eventuality. No I think you do not give the folks on the ship enough credit at all. The Israelis have a very good intel capability and knew what was going to happen which is why they were prepared with multiple cameras to record the ensuing events.

I’m reading some articles in the Guardian with my morning coffee. IDF insists that it used force when it was attacked and it had no choice. Activists on the other hand insist that the commandos started shooting before they boarded the ships. What I’m saying is, that both versions of the story can be true. If you start shooting at people in the middle of the night, it is hard to tell if you are doing it using paintballs or real ammo. Activists saw soldiers shooting at them with something that looked like guns. You cannot tell the difference between paint and blood in the dark. If they were using pepper balls, you could hear people screaming.

I don’t know how I would react if I believed that I’ve been shot at. How would you react? It is only valid to assume that some of the activists, just attacked the soldiers they believed were shooting at them Things just escalated after that.

That was my point. Using paintball guns was a brilliant idea. When someone throws rocks at you, shoot him with a paintball. You can have minor injuries (in both sides) but it has great sense of proportion. You send your message. Look what I could do to you, if I wasn’t showing restrain. You just need to do it in a way that avoids any possible confusion of whats really going on.

It is tragic that people died and I think that if better tactics had been used that could have been avoided, but who knows? we weren’t there.

We are in full agreement here. The tragic thing is that people lost their lives. We just sharing opinions and points of view. What else can you do in a forum.