At last – proof that the floatplane Gannet did exist in the war 😀

http://forum.keypublishing.co.uk/showthread.php?t=66898

Realistically it would be from something like a Beaver. There have been Beavers on floats in the Falklands and perhaps this one here has to be a strong contender?

Pah – jumpers.

In Raby Castle near Barnard Castle there is a rug made from a much loved family pet – it still lies in front of the fire as it always did.

And William Wordsworth had a book (of Milton poetry IIRC) which is bound in leather made from dog skin from a pet.

Double shudder

You make the point precisely.

Carling, Smirnoff etc all produced aviation themed ads with a bit of studio CGI. No earthly point in sponsoring a real Vulcan so you could use it in an ad for corned beef when a geek with a Mac could knock one up in a couple of days.

Red Bull? I seem to recall they used real aircraft – but painted them in livery.

QED

Moggy

Moggy,

The point above that you objected to was that there are creative ways a sponsor can benefit from using the Vulcan in their promotional work, even in RAF colours.

My argument was that there are not enough marketeers who do that. Thank you for providing evidence to support my view. 😉

I would dispute that any aircraft needs to be a flying billboard to be a valuable advert for any company supporting it. That’s what PR and marketing teams are paid to do – use all the resources at your disposal to sell something. Once support is given, the Vulcan becomes a resource. Therefore you can have corporate presence at airshows, use the aircraft in advertising and marketing campaigns, hang press releases on milestones, gain TV and radio coverage. It’s all there. And the number of people who have stumped up to help make this a reality represent a sizeable amount of goodwill for any company that puts its hand in its pocket.

You can always fit sponsor logos in the bomb bays anyway!

Yes, we both know that is the right way to do it but we also know that there are a lot of marketing execs who opt for an easy life. The number of companies with the foresight to exploit their sponsorship in that way and the money to afford a Vulcan is sadly limited – and it seems they are not yet responding.

The philanthropic side – those of us who support a project for the warm glow we get – is what is keeping the Vulcan project going but huge numbers of small donors means a huge amount of admin and the brinkmanship style of PR/fundraising makes me want to join the Blenheim Society. I have seen large companies make generous sponsorship deals with little or no requirement for publciity etc. But they are rare and, like you, I wish it happened more often. The business world is too global for patriotism and too commercial for philanthropy

I keep wondering how the Vulcan can appeal in a different way. By having girls on the wings Team Guinot, despite being aviation, makes a beauty products company feel they can reach their audience. How many girls can you get on the wing of a Vulcan? 😮

There is a little further information in the correspondence following this article. http://www.flightglobal.com/PDFArchive/View/1955/1955%20-%201606.html

Working out the order early aircraft were built is hard enough but the RNAS/Army early numbering sometimes seems designed to confuse historians. Bless ’em.

Does the decline of this museum mean that the other museum (Steam etc.) is also looking ropey and in dire need of a budget?

Oh no – the bit with the stationary steam engines is superb, and the rest of the museum is really good too. The only problem is it is so big it is possible to lose a whole day in there – which isn’t a problem really 🙂

To illustrate how the loss of the basic “cross” of fuselage and wing reduces the ability to identify an aircraft from above, I have taken the liberty of cutting your B25 up and relocating it to other locations in Aitape.

You’ve copied the fuselage into at least four places, you devil – and none are obvious. 😀

Mondariz, I had been to a crash site in Scotland and, before returning, checked the location on Google Earth for fun. It was low res and of no use at all – even knowing where the wreck was and what it looked like. I couldn’t even find a path on the mountain.

And think the help/advice being given here is that there are severe limitations to a search such as this. All you have to do is weigh up those limitations (including the time involved) against the possible benefits.

Good luck